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Rob Ford's transportation platform, more subways and buses, fewer streetcars! (pg. 9)
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| Abercrombie |
| quote: | Originally posted by StereoPrincess
it's also the stupidest name for a sports team ever!
GO RAVENS!!! |
I remember our Panda games when you had "Ottawa U Sucks" on signs on your side of the field during my frosh year.
The next year I was sure to carry a "Carleton Swallows" sign :D |
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| MarkT |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
This has got to be embarrassing.
Even Slitherman's own brother supports rob ford! LOL!!! |
how is it embarrassing when they've apparently been estranged for 20+ years (acc. to his campaign people)? of course the rag of a paper you quoted stuck one line in about them 'not being close' and now a bunch of retards think "wow, his own brother isn't supporting him!!!"
| quote: | Originally posted by Orko
What advantages do street cars have over buses?
Buses > street cars
- can change route anytime they want.
- can change lanes.
- does not stop two lanes of traffic when picking up passengers.
- does not require driver to get out to change tracks.
- driver does not have to get out to realign power connector.
I think they are just bigger, not any more space efficient. |
counterpoints I've read have noted that streetcars have significantly higher capacity than buses and the newer ones will have even greater capacity.
thus the argument is that more buses would need to be on the road to move the same # of people as streetcars, which is highly relevant if you're comparing emissions, congestion, maintenance costs, labour costs (every vehicle needs a driver), etc. |
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| FunkyCrew |
| quote: | Originally posted by MarkT
thus the argument is that more buses would need to be on the road to move the same # of people as streetcars, which is highly relevant if you're comparing emissions, congestion, maintenance costs, labour costs (every vehicle needs a driver), etc. |
yup, I think I've made this point a page or 2 back :) |
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| Tordan |
| One reason I support transit city is the expansion into low income neighborhoods of the city. Take Scarborough for example where there are many new immigrant families who rely solely on public transportation. Many of them currently spend hours commuting to work and back. Providing a more efficient means of transportation in places like these will help a large segment of the population be more productive and will in turn be good for the city in the long run. But you can thank Dalton McGuinty for breaking his promises and putting the entire project in jeopardy. |
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| Spam |
| quote: | Originally posted by Tordan
One reason I support transit city is the expansion into low income neighborhoods of the city. Take Scarborough for example where there are many new immigrant families who rely solely on public transportation. Many of them currently spend hours commuting to work and back. Providing a more efficient means of transportation in places like these will help a large segment of the population be more productive and will in turn be good for the city in the long run. But you can thank Dalton McGuinty for breaking his promises and putting the entire project in jeopardy. |
I blame the low income neighbourhoods for not providing enough tax dollars to fund their own transit lines. It's all their fault! |
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| geroin |
rocco rossi or whatever his name is actually proposed an extension to allen road putting through an underground tunnel that would go all the way until gardiner, that is actually pretty ing sick if you ask me :O
http://toronto.ctv.ca/servlet/an/lo...=TorontoNewHome |
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| Tordan |
| quote: | Originally posted by geroin
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"Construction would begin by the end of his first term, Rossi said."
Yes, and by that time the estimates will change to three times the original cost and twice as long to complete. |
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| Orko |
| quote: | Originally posted by FunkyCrew
excellent points this guy makes, me thinks - http://stevemunro.ca/?p=4333
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All things that a street car cannot get out of the way of! So if they get buses sometimes, then they would get streetcars far more often, can be well observed downtown.
Have you ever seen a street car fail downtown during rush hour? It is pure chaos. I've said screw it, and just walked home from King and John to Roncy. I don't understand how this is even a debate. If it cannot get out of the way of an obstacle, then it is not very useful as a mode of transportation.
| quote: | Originally posted by MarkT
counterpoints I've read have noted that streetcars have significantly higher capacity than buses and the newer ones will have even greater capacity.
thus the argument is that more buses would need to be on the road to move the same # of people as streetcars, which is highly relevant if you're comparing emissions, congestion, maintenance costs, labour costs (every vehicle needs a driver), etc. |
That is only if you ignore, new designs in buses, and the greater space efficiency which is constantly being developed.
Why couldn't you have a bus with the same capacity? If you can have those trolly cars, then it seems very plausable to have higher capacity buses.
Sure introduce potential, and future streetcars into the debate, but don't make the same inclusion for buses. ;) |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by geroin
rocco rossi or whatever his name is actually proposed an extension to allen road putting through an underground tunnel that would go all the way until gardiner, that is actually pretty ing sick if you ask me :O
http://toronto.ctv.ca/servlet/an/lo...=TorontoNewHome |
Great idea, wrong highway.
They need to expand the 400/black creek dr expressway
The allen was a good idea when it was possible to build it into york region. But thats no longer possible. |
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| Sly_Guy |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
I love it!!!
Its everything ive been saying for years and more!
-subways not streetcars
-removing streetcars and replacing with buses
-making parking signs easier to read
-SCOOT technology to synchronize traffic lights
-Bike lanes along corridors and only when they add to, and not reduce capacity
-raising extra money through private sector deals
-keeping the gardiner (all that tearing down the portion east of the DVP has done is given us more red lights and easier access to canadian tire!)
And something i never thought of which i love:
Colour coded curbing to make it easier to determine if you can or cannot park on the street.
Love it!!
http://www.robfordformayor.ca/wp-co...ation-Plan4.pdf |
I'm ok with streetcars on dedicated lanes, such as what they're doing to st clair. I mean, com'on, you already needed an off-road vehicle to go anywhere on that street anyway, so why not just make it a major public transit route.
But either way, more money in transportation is a necessity, unfortunately, these are likely empty campaign promises. |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Sly_Guy
I'm ok with streetcars on dedicated lanes, such as what they're doing to st clair. I mean, com'on, you already needed an off-road vehicle to go anywhere on that street anyway, so why not just make it a major public transit route.
But either way, more money in transportation is a necessity, unfortunately, these are likely empty campaign promises. |
because it destroyed businesses and cost at least twice as much as originally planned. And it took up valuable surface space. A precious commodity in any city. |
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