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How Obama Thinks
Dinesh D'Souza, 09.27.10, 12:00 AM ET
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Barack Obama is the most antibusiness president in a generation, perhaps in American history. Thanks to him the era of big government is back. Obama runs up taxpayer debt not in the billions but in the trillions. He has expanded the federal government's control over home mortgages, investment banking, health care, autos and energy. The Weekly Standard summarizes Obama's approach as omnipotence at home, impotence abroad.
The President's actions are so bizarre that they mystify his critics and supporters alike. Consider this headline from the Aug. 18, 2009 issue of the Wall Street Journal: "Obama Underwrites Offshore Drilling." Did you read that correctly? You did. The Administration supports offshore drilling--but drilling off the shores of Brazil. With Obama's backing, the U.S. Export-Import Bank offered $2 billion in loans and guarantees to Brazil's state-owned oil company Petrobras to finance exploration in the Santos Basin near Rio de Janeiro--not so the oil ends up in the U.S. He is funding Brazilian exploration so that the oil can stay in Brazil.
More strange behavior: Obama's June 15, 2010 speech in response to the Gulf oil spill focused not on cleanup strategies but rather on the fact that Americans "consume more than 20% of the world's oil but have less than 2% of the world's resources." Obama railed on about "America's century-long addiction to fossil fuels." What does any of this have to do with the oil spill? Would the calamity have been less of a problem if America consumed a mere 10% of the world's resources?
The oddities go on and on. Obama's Administration has declared that even banks that want to repay their bailout money may be refused permission to do so. Only after the Obama team cleared a bank through the Fed's "stress test" was it eligible to give taxpayers their money back. Even then, declared Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner, the Administration might force banks to keep the money.
The President continues to push for stimulus even though hundreds of billions of dollars in such funds seem to have done little. The unemployment rate when Obama took office in January 2009 was 7.7%; now it is 9.5%. Yet he wants to spend even more and is determined to foist the entire bill on Americans making $250,000 a year or more. The rich, Obama insists, aren't paying their "fair share." This by itself seems odd given that the top 1% of Americans pay 40% of all federal income taxes; the next 9% of income earners pay another 30%. So the top 10% pays 70% of the taxes; the bottom 40% pays close to nothing. This does indeed seem unfair--to the rich.
Obama's foreign policy is no less strange. He supports a $100 million mosque scheduled to be built near the site where terrorists in the name of Islam brought down the World Trade Center. Obama's rationale, that "our commitment to religious freedom must be unshakable," seems utterly irrelevant to the issue of why the proposed Cordoba House should be constructed at Ground Zero.
Recently the London Times reported that the Obama Administration supported the conditional release of Abdel Baset al-Megrahi, the Lockerbie bomber convicted in connection with the deaths of 270 people, mostly Americans. This was an eye-opener because when Scotland released Megrahi from prison and sent him home to Libya in August 2009, the Obama Administration publicly and appropriately complained. The Times, however, obtained a letter the Obama Administration sent to Scotland a week before the event in which it said that releasing Megrahi on "compassionate grounds" was acceptable as long as he was kept in Scotland and would be "far preferable" to sending him back to Libya. Scottish officials interpreted this to mean that U.S. objections to Megrahi's release were "half-hearted." They released him to his home country, where he lives today as a free man.
One more anomaly: A few months ago nasa Chief Charles Bolden announced that from now on the primary mission of America's space agency would be to improve relations with the Muslim world. Come again? Bolden said he got the word directly from the President. "He wanted me to find a way to reach out to the Muslim world and engage much more with dominantly Muslim nations to help them feel good about their historic contribution to science and math and engineering." Bolden added that the International Space Station was a model for nasa's future, since it was not just a U.S. operation but included the Russians and the Chinese. Obama's redirection of the agency caused consternation among former astronauts like Neil Armstrong and John Glenn, and even among the President's supporters: Most people think of nasa's job as one of landing on the moon and Mars and exploring other faraway destinations. Sure, we are for Islamic self-esteem, but what on earth was Obama up to here?
Theories abound to explain the President's goals and actions. Critics in the business community--including some Obama voters who now have buyer's remorse--tend to focus on two main themes. The first is that Obama is clueless about business. The second is that Obama is a socialist--not an out-and-out Marxist, but something of a European-style socialist, with a penchant for leveling and government redistribution.
These theories aren't wrong so much as they are inadequate. Even if they could account for Obama's domestic policy, they cannot explain his foreign policy. The real problem with Obama is worse--much worse. But we have been blinded to his real agenda because, across the political spectrum, we all seek to fit him into some version of American history. In the process, we ignore Obama's own history. Here is a man who spent his formative years--the first 17 years of his life--off the American mainland, in Hawaii, Indonesia and Pakistan, with multiple subsequent journeys to Africa.
A good way to discern what motivates Obama is to ask a simple question: What is his dream? Is it the American dream? Is it Martin Luther King's dream? Or something else?
It is certainly not the American dream as conceived by the founders. They believed the nation was a "new order for the ages." A half-century later Alexis de Tocqueville wrote of America as creating "a distinct species of mankind." This is known as American exceptionalism. But when asked at a 2009 press conference whether he believed in this ideal, Obama said no. America, he suggested, is no more unique or exceptional than Britain or Greece or any other country.
Perhaps, then, Obama shares Martin Luther King's dream of a color-blind society. The President has benefited from that dream; he campaigned as a nonracial candidate, and many Americans voted for him because he represents the color-blind ideal. Even so, King's dream is not Obama's: The President never champions the idea of color-blindness or race-neutrality. This inaction is not merely tactical; the race issue simply isn't what drives Obama.
What then is Obama's dream? We don't have to speculate because the President tells us himself in his autobiography, Dreams from My Father. According to Obama, his dream is his father's dream. Notice that his title is not Dreams of My Father but rather Dreams from My Father. Obama isn't writing about his father's dreams; he is writing about the dreams he received from his father.
So who was Barack Obama Sr.? He was a Luo tribesman who grew up in Kenya and studied at Harvard. He was a polygamist who had, over the course of his lifetime, four wives and eight children. One of his sons, Mark Obama, has accused him of abuse and wife-beating. He was also a regular drunk driver who got into numerous accidents, killing a man in one and causing his own legs to be amputated due to injury in another. In 1982 he got drunk at a bar in Nairobi and drove into a tree, killing himself.
An odd choice, certainly, as an inspirational hero. But to his son, the elder Obama represented a great and noble cause, the cause of anticolonialism. Obama Sr. grew up during Africa's struggle to be free of European rule, and he was one of the early generation of Africans chosen to study in America and then to shape his country's future.
I know a great deal about anticolonialism, because I am a native of Mumbai, India. I am part of the first Indian generation to be born after my country's independence from the British. Anticolonialism was the rallying cry of Third World politics for much of the second half of the 20th century. To most Americans, however, anticolonialism is an unfamiliar idea, so let me explain it.
Anticolonialism is the doctrine that rich countries of the West got rich by invading, occupying and looting poor countries of Asia, Africa and South America. As one of Obama's acknowledged intellectual influences, Frantz Fanon, wrote in The Wretched of the Earth, "The well-being and progress of Europe have been built up with the sweat and the dead bodies of Negroes, Arabs, Indians and the yellow races."
Anticolonialists hold that even when countries secure political independence they remain economically dependent on their former captors. This dependence is called neocolonialism, a term defined by the African statesman Kwame Nkrumah (1909--72) in his book Neocolonialism: The Last Stage of Imperialism. Nkrumah, Ghana's first president, writes that poor countries may be nominally free, but they continue to be manipulated from abroad by powerful corporate and plutocratic elites. These forces of neocolonialism oppress not only Third World people but also citizens in their own countries. Obviously the solution is to resist and overthrow the oppressors. This was the anticolonial ideology of Barack Obama Sr. and many in his generation, including many of my own relatives in India.
Obama Sr. was an economist, and in 1965 he published an important article in the East Africa Journal called "Problems Facing Our Socialism." Obama Sr. wasn't a doctrinaire socialist; rather, he saw state appropriation of wealth as a necessary means to achieve the anticolonial objective of taking resources away from the foreign looters and restoring them to the people of Africa. For Obama Sr. this was an issue of national autonomy. "Is it the African who owns this country? If he does, then why should he not control the economic means of growth in this country?"
As he put it, "We need to eliminate power structures that have been built through excessive accumulation so that not only a few individuals shall control a vast magnitude of resources as is the case now." The senior Obama proposed that the state confiscate private land and raise taxes with no upper limit. In fact, he insisted that "theoretically there is nothing that can stop the government from taxing 100% of income so long as the people get benefits from the government commensurate with their income which is taxed."
Remarkably, President Obama, who knows his father's history very well, has never mentioned his father's article. Even more remarkably, there has been virtually no reporting on a document that seems directly relevant to what the junior Obama is doing in the White House.
While the senior Obama called for Africa to free itself from the neocolonial influence of Europe and specifically Britain, he knew when he came to America in 1959 that the global balance of power was shifting. Even then, he recognized what has become a new tenet of anticolonialist ideology: Today's neocolonial leader is not Europe but America. As the late Palestinian scholar Edward Said--who was one of Obama's teachers at Columbia University--wrote in Culture and Imperialism, "The United States has replaced the earlier great empires and is the dominant outside force."
From the anticolonial perspective, American imperialism is on a rampage. For a while, U.S. power was checked by the Soviet Union, but since the end of the Cold War, America has been the sole superpower. Moreover, 9/11 provided the occasion for America to invade and occupy two countries, Iraq and Afghanistan, and also to seek political and economic domination in the same way the French and the British empires once did. So in the anticolonial view, America is now the rogue elephant that subjugates and tramples the people of the world.
It may seem incredible to suggest that the anticolonial ideology of Barack Obama Sr. is espoused by his son, the President of the United States. That is what I am saying. From a very young age and through his formative years, Obama learned to see America as a force for global domination and destruction. He came to view America's military as an instrument of neocolonial occupation. He adopted his father's position that capitalism and free markets are code words for economic plunder. Obama grew to perceive the rich as an oppressive class, a kind of neocolonial power within America. In his worldview, profits are a measure of how effectively you have ripped off the rest of society, and America's power in the world is a measure of how selfishly it consumes the globe's resources and how ruthlessly it bullies and dominates the rest of the planet.
For Obama, the solutions are simple. He must work to wring the neocolonialism out of America and the West. And here is where our anticolonial understanding of Obama really takes off, because it provides a vital key to explaining not only his major policy actions but also the little details that no other theory can adequately account for.
Why support oil drilling off the coast of Brazil but not in America? Obama believes that the West uses a disproportionate share of the world's energy resources, so he wants neocolonial America to have less and the former colonized countries to have more. More broadly, his proposal for carbon taxes has little to do with whether the planet is getting warmer or colder; it is simply a way to penalize, and therefore reduce, America's carbon consumption. Both as a U.S. Senator and in his speech, as President, to the United Nations, Obama has proposed that the West massively subsidize energy production in the developing world.
Rejecting the socialist formula, Obama has shown no intention to nationalize the investment banks or the health sector. Rather, he seeks to decolonize these institutions, and this means bringing them under the government's leash. That's why Obama retains the right to refuse bailout paybacks--so that he can maintain his control. For Obama, health insurance companies on their own are oppressive racketeers, but once they submitted to federal oversight he was happy to do business with them. He even promised them expanded business as a result of his law forcing every American to buy health insurance.
If Obama shares his father's anticolonial crusade, that would explain why he wants people who are already paying close to 50% of their income in overall taxes to pay even more. The anticolonialist believes that since the rich have prospered at the expense of others, their wealth doesn't really belong to them; therefore whatever can be extracted from them is automatically just. Recall what Obama Sr. said in his 1965 paper: There is no tax rate too high, and even a 100% rate is justified under certain circumstances.
Obama supports the Ground Zero mosque because to him 9/11 is the event that unleashed the American bogey and pushed us into Iraq and Afghanistan. He views some of the Muslims who are fighting against America abroad as resisters of U.S. imperialism. Certainly that is the way the Lockerbie bomber Abdel Baset al-Megrahi portrayed himself at his trial. Obama's perception of him as an anticolonial resister would explain why he gave tacit approval for this murderer of hundreds of Americans to be released from captivity.
Finally, nasa. No explanation other than anticolonialism makes sense of Obama's curious mandate to convert a space agency into a Muslim and international outreach. We can see how well our theory works by recalling the moon landing of Apollo 11 in 1969. "One small step for man," Neil Armstrong said. "One giant leap for mankind."
But that's not how the rest of the world saw it. I was 8 years old at the time and living in my native India. I remember my grandfather telling me about the great race between America and Russia to put a man on the moon. Clearly America had won, and this was one giant leap not for mankind but for the U.S. If Obama shares this view, it's no wonder he wants to blunt nasa's space program, to divert it from a symbol of American greatness into a more modest public relations program.
Clearly the anticolonial ideology of Barack Obama Sr. goes a long way to explain the actions and policies of his son in the Oval Office. And we can be doubly sure about his father's influence because those who know Obama well testify to it. His "granny" Sarah Obama (not his real grandmother but one of his grandfather's other wives) told Newsweek, "I look at him and I see all the same things--he has taken everything from his father. The son is realizing everything the father wanted. The dreams of the father are still alive in the son."
In his own writings Obama stresses the centrality of his father not only to his beliefs and values but to his very identity. He calls his memoir "the record of a personal, interior journey--a boy's search for his father and through that search a workable meaning for his life as a black American." And again, "It was into my father's image, the black man, son of Africa, that I'd packed all the attributes I sought in myself." Even though his father was absent for virtually all his life, Obama writes, "My father's voice had nevertheless remained untainted, inspiring, rebuking, granting or withholding approval. You do not work hard enough, Barry. You must help in your people's struggle. Wake up, black man!"
The climax of Obama's narrative is when he goes to Kenya and weeps at his father's grave. It is riveting: "When my tears were finally spent," he writes, "I felt a calmness wash over me. I felt the circle finally close. I realized that who I was, what I cared about, was no longer just a matter of intellect or obligation, no longer a construct of words. I saw that my life in America--the black life, the white life, the sense of abandonment I'd felt as a boy, the frustration and hope I'd witnessed in Chicago--all of it was connected with this small piece of earth an ocean away, connected by more than the accident of a name or the color of my skin. The pain that I felt was my father's pain."
In an eerie conclusion, Obama writes that "I sat at my father's grave and spoke to him through Africa's red soil." In a sense, through the earth itself, he communes with his father and receives his father's spirit. Obama takes on his father's struggle, not by recovering his body but by embracing his cause. He decides that where Obama Sr. failed, he will succeed. Obama Sr.'s hatred of the colonial system becomes Obama Jr.'s hatred; his botched attempt to set the world right defines his son's objective. Through a kind of sacramental rite at the family tomb, the father's struggle becomes the son's birthright.
Colonialism today is a dead issue. No one cares about it except the man in the White House. He is the last anticolonial. Emerging market economies such as China, India, Chile and Indonesia have solved the problem of backwardness; they are exploiting their labor advantage and growing much faster than the U.S. If America is going to remain on top, we have to compete in an increasingly tough environment.
But instead of readying us for the challenge, our President is trapped in his father's time machine. Incredibly, the U.S. is being ruled according to the dreams of a Luo tribesman of the 1950s. This philandering, inebriated African socialist, who raged against the world for denying him the realization of his anticolonial ambitions, is now setting the nation's agenda through the reincarnation of his dreams in his son. The son makes it happen, but he candidly admits he is only living out his father's dream. The invisible father provides the inspiration, and the son dutifully gets the job done. America today is governed by a ghost.
Dinesh D'Souza, the president of the King's College in New York City, is the author of the forthcoming book The Roots of Obama's Rage (Regnery Publishing).
Correction: Dinesh D'Souza writes that on June 15, 2010, Obama gave a speech in response to the BP oil spill that was "focused not on cleanup strategies but rather on the fact that Americans 'consume more than 20% of the world’s oil but have less than 2% of the world’s resources.'" D'Souza slightly misquoted the President who said, "2% of the world's oil reserves." In addition, Obama's speech did discuss concrete measures to investigate the oil spill and bring it under control.
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| Comrade Stalin |
And how has Reagan/Bush/Greenspan economic policy with practically no safeguards benefited society in 2008? |
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| kuollutrunkkau5 |
This completely leaves professionalism and solid assessment behind and becomes completely personal and is soon enough nothing more than speculation that makes Freud seem like someone with prudent judgement.
Some parts of this are beyond what you can even call speculation. |
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| quote: | Originally posted by Comrade Stalin
And how has Reagan/Bush/Greenspan economic policy with practically no safeguards benefited society in 2008? |
How is that even a relevant response to the article? Did you even read it? That said, I would not be surprised if you supported a 100% tax rate so that the benevolent government can do whatever it pleases as it sees fit. |
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| quote: | Originally posted by kuollutrunkkau5
This completely leaves professionalism and solid assessment behind and becomes completely personal and is soon enough nothing more than speculation that makes Freud seem like someone with prudent judgement.
Some parts of this are beyond what you can even call speculation. |
Perhaps some speculation but given how little is really known about young Obama, what do you expect? I think it's perfectly reasonable to try to analyze a person's past to see who their major influences likely were and how that pertains to how they formed their current opinions on the world. The author cites Obama's own book as a source so I think you might be overplaying your skepticism a bit, but I expect that from Obama supporters in general while I bet people on the right gobble it up. The author (while obviously conservative) is a well respected journalist, not some nut-job blogger. He also provides a unique perspective being an immigrant from India who has also studied a variety of cultures and religious beliefs.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinesh_D%27Souza |
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| quote: | Originally posted by Shakka
How is that even a relevant response to the article? Did you even read it? That said, I would not be surprised if you supported a 100% tax rate so that the benevolent government can do whatever it pleases as it sees fit. |
It's pretty blatantly obvious what theme of the article is. "Barack Obama is the most anti-business president in a generation, perhaps in American history." If Barack Obama is the most anti-business president in history, then what the hell was Franklin Roosevelt? The American Kim Jung Ill? Sorry, but the rhetoric makes me dismiss the entire article out of hand.
100% tax rate? LOL, now you're just throwing mud. You know I'm for Clinton era tax rates. How about, I wouldn't be surprised if you supported 100% privatization of the entire government sector, so the benevolent market can do whatever it pleases and sees fit. You believe this right? |
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| quote: | Originally posted by Comrade Stalin
It's pretty blatantly obvious what theme of the article is. "Barack Obama is the most anti-business president in a generation, perhaps in American history." If Barack Obama is the most anti-business president in history, then what the hell was Franklin Roosevelt? The American Kim Jung Ill? Sorry, but the rhetoric makes me dismiss the entire article out of hand. |
He'd probably be the 2nd most anti-business. lol.
| quote: | | 100% tax rate? LOL, now you're just throwing mud. You know I'm for Clinton era tax rates. How about, I wouldn't be surprised if you supported 100% privatization of the entire government sector, so the benevolent market can do whatever it pleases and sees fit. You believe this right? |
OK, you obviously didn't read the article completely and have no idea what I'm talking about. That was a suggestion from Obama's father that Obama wrote about in his book, Dreams from My Father. I "threw" it at you because you seem to support socialist policies like that. Don't take it personally, it was somewhat tongue in cheek.
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As he put it, "We need to eliminate power structures that have been built through excessive accumulation so that not only a few individuals shall control a vast magnitude of resources as is the case now." The senior Obama proposed that the state confiscate private land and raise taxes with no upper limit. In fact, he insisted that "theoretically there is nothing that can stop the government from taxing 100% of income so long as the people get benefits from the government commensurate with their income which is taxed." |
The suggestion implies that all wealth created should be 100% controlled by the government to be used as it sees fit. A society that is 100% anti-individual, anti-liberty, etc.
The author is attempting to figure out what has shaped Obama's world view, hence he examines Obama's known past, who the likely influences were on his life and how that plays into what policies he espouses now. Is it so much of a stretch to believe that his father was a significant influence on him? I mean, he himself says so. It is far more foolish to sit here and believe Obama just sat in a corner masturbating until the light in his head went off and he said, "Aha! spread the ing wealth around! Yes, by Jove I've finally solved it!" |
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If you ask a Socialist if Obama is a Socialist, you'd probably get laughed at. If Obama were really Socialist, he would have said, "If the private sector can't provide jobs, government will." And he would have acted on that. We wouldn't have some watered down healthcare reform bill, we'd have single-payer healthcare. Those are just two examples of how Obama is hardly a Socialist.
Listen to this NPR segment on what Socialism really is, and then tell me Obama is a Socialist.
http://www.npr.org/player/v2/mediaP...548&m=129942471
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This is what a Socialist healthcare system looks like...
We asked Wolff whether the health-care overhaul passed by the Democrats is a socialist plan. Here's his answer:
"What was passed has nothing remotely to do with a socialist plan.
You might call it [healthcare reform] a socialist plan ... if doctors were public employees hired as a kind of public service, a little bit like groundskeepers in a park or policemen. ... We don't have that.
... The second way you might imagine an old-style socialist health program is if the government took over the basic job of insuring our health. So it might leave the doctors private but it would be a government insurance program paid for out of public funds to provide everyone with a guarantee of access to health care. And nothing like that was proposed or passed by the Obama administration."
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Obama is a moderate liberal. Nothing more, nothing less. To liberals, he's not liberal enough. To conservatives, he's a Stalinist commie. He loses no matter what. |
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| quote: | Originally posted by Comrade Stalin
If Obama were really Socialist, he would have said, "If the private sector can't provide jobs, government will." And he would have acted on that. |
Isn't that basically what TARP turned out to be? A failed attempt by government to create jobs? Only they blew it all on benefits and transfer payments. The goverment created a bunch of temporary census jobs. Rah!
| quote: | | We wouldn't have some watered down healthcare reform bill, we'd have single-payer healthcare. Those are just two examples of how Obama is hardly a Socialist. |
Thank God for opposition, not to mention that the majority of America does not support the garbage that passed.
| quote: | | Listen to this NPR segment on what Socialism really is, and then tell me Obama is a Socialist. |
I'll pass. If you prefer I use a different label, perhaps we can agree on something like "Neo-socialist" or "compassionate socialist"? But really, it does not matter in the end. He is what he is and it's become quite clear how he sees the world. The rich are bad. If you make $250K, you might as well be a billionaire and you have clearly achieved your success by taking advantage of poor, less fortunate peons.
| quote: | | Obama is a moderate liberal. Nothing more, nothing less. To liberals, he's not liberal enough. To conservatives, he's a Stalinist commie. He loses no matter what. |
He is not a moderate liberal. You may think some of the policies that have resulted due to some well-voiced opposition have resulted in moderately liberal results, but the man behind the driver's seat is quite radical, imho. Bill Clinton is a moderate liberal. He's now a breath of fresh air by comparison. Obama is nowhere near the center. He is not moderate anything. Well, he may be a moderately horrible golfer with moderately large ears. |
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| If you want to see real socialism, look at Canada, European Union countries, Venezuela, and again, tell me Obama is a socialist. They have free healthcare, free education all the way up to the university level, and generous government benefits. These countries even have major political parties that have the word "socialist" in their name. If Obama is a socialist as you say, then Austria, Germany, France, UK, and many other truly socialist countries must be what again? Stalinists? Even with Obama in office, we still have one of the most right wing governments in all of the industrialized western world. Huge Chavez is a socialist. Obama is a neo-nazi compared to that guy. |
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| quote: | Originally posted by Comrade Stalin
If you want to see real socialism, look at Canada, European Union countries, Venezuela, and again, tell me Obama is a socialist. They have free healthcare, free education all the way up to the university level, and generous government benefits. These countries even have major political parties that have the word "socialist" in their name. If Obama is a socialist as you say, then Austria, Germany, France, UK, and many other truly socialist countries must be what again? Stalinists? Even with Obama in office, we still have one of the most right wing governments in all of the industrialized western world. Huge Chavez is a socialist. Obama is a neo-nazi compared to that guy. |
*sigh* I feel we're straying from the real crux of what we were debating. Maybe that's my fault, maybe not. I'm not concerned about the label, I'm concerned about the idiot wearing it. I feel we're stuck in one of those debates that PKCrastin (sorry if I screwed up the name) used to engage in when he would dismiss people out of hand because they were calling something "liberal" when it didn't fit his dictionary definition of the word.
Why do Canadians frequently come to the U.S. for their important health-care needs? How is our government going to provide us with "generous" benefits when it is verging on bankruptcy and only continues to spend more money while it debases the value of the very currency we all depend on to sustain our independence? |
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| quote: | Originally posted by Shakka
*sigh* I feel we're straying from the real crux of what we were debating. Maybe that's my fault, maybe not. I'm not concerned about the label, I'm concerned about the idiot wearing it. I feel we're stuck in one of those debates that PKCrastin (sorry if I screwed up the name) used to engage in when he would dismiss people out of hand because they were calling something "liberal" when it didn't fit his dictionary definition of the word.
Why do Canadians frequently come to the U.S. for their important health-care needs? How is our government going to provide us with "generous" benefits when it is verging on bankruptcy and only continues to spend more money while it debases the value of the very currency we all depend on to sustain our independence? |
All I'm saying is, Obama isn't a socialist. I'm strongly inclined to dismiss out of hand anything that says so because it's an inherently incorrect assumption. Whatever follows is likely to be just as fallacious.
I didn't know Canadians flock in droves to America because their healthcare system is a commie-driven bureaucratic beast. By my recollection, Canadians overwhelmingly approve of their healthcare system, and want it to continue.
Benefits should be proportional to income. I agree with you on that. That's why we need to drastically reduce our so-called "defense" spending and spend more on making America better and instead of on war. The $1 trillion we've spent on our wars could have more than paid for both completely free education AND healthcare. Do you consider what such expenditures could do for our economy? |
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