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| Vernon Wanderer |
| quote: | Originally posted by trancedanne
todays trance doesn't deserve vinyl releases |
While I agree with this, there is a tiny amount of releases that are good, it's just that they mostly go unnoticed. |
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| stealthman |
| quote: | Originally posted by trancedanne
todays trance doesn't deserve vinyl releases |
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| stealthman |
| quote: | Originally posted by Nrg2Nfinit
I think that's very presumptuous of you to say. It all depends on the bitrate of the mp3 or the quality of the wave. You do realize most producers are working with wav files in the first place. These are digital sounds converted to analogue. Ask the producers here when they submit their files to a label, what format it is in. probably and most definitely a wave. I think the highest bitrate for mp3s is 320. That is pretty much indistinguishable from CD quality. So it all depends on the original source and conversion process.
If you have an original analogue sound and you are converting to digital, you will probably lose some quality. Digital to analogue to digital again, same thing. So im pretty sure if you go from Digital to analogue you will probably lose some quality in the conversion process. So the best would be to remain digital in the raw form. (wav)
Opened a can of worms here so anyone is free to bash the hell out of my post. |
If the productions are made in software, I believe the raw audio form (the actual recording directly from the software itself) is translated directly onto the vinyl. I wouldn't see why an inferior format to vinyl would be recorded onto such a medium resulting in a warmer sound, unless the WAV is at 192khz with an infinite bitrate or something. However, directly from anolog synthesisers, I believe the record process would be analog to analog. Correct me if I'm wrong. |
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| lksjxama |
| Yeah. It¡¯s good to be yourself. Same with you, I will try to do something. So I support your decision! |
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| Fledz |
| quote: | Originally posted by floyd741
Well then you can't say it sounds better, you can only say it sounds warmer. I agree with you, I too prefer the sound of analogue to digital, but by no means does that translate to it being inherently better. It just sounds different. |
You're just knit picking now. You know what I mean :p
| quote: | Originally posted by Nrg2Nfinit
If you're talking about old tracks as in studio produced stuff with regards to bands playing live instruments then theres an argument to be made there. Otherwise dealing with electronic music, its all digital in the first place. Digital to analogue you have some sort of loss, digital to digital, you can retain 100% unless you want to compress.
Personally i love to spin vinyl. I like the feel of it and the idea of having something tangible large in size and (correct me if im wrong) having a longer shelf life. I use serato scratch as well knowing that the quality is definatley reduced (perhaps not audibly) but none the less reduced when im playing wav or mp3s to analogue (template discs) to audio out (mixer to speakers). |
An analog synthesiser is digital? What?
Why can't I compose a track solely out of analog synths, then hand over the raw project file to a label to press directly to vinyl? |
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| Twilothunder25 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fledz
You're just knit picking now. You know what I mean :p
An analog synthesiser is digital? What?
Why can't I compose a track solely out of analog synths, then hand over the raw project file to a label to press directly to vinyl? |
Honestly the only person I can think off is Aphex Twin. He records to magnetic tape before sending the record for mastering insisting that no digital processors are used.
It is fair to say thought that most records are partially digital.
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| quote: | Originally posted by floyd741
Well then you can't say it sounds better, you can only say it sounds warmer. I agree with you, I too prefer the sound of analogue to digital, but by no means does that translate to it being inherently better. It just sounds different. |
Most labels buy mastering as part of the pressing package for example 500 records plus mastering. The track goes though very expensive mastering processors before a is master record is optimized for pressing. Then the track gets pressed. The final product sounds better. |
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| Nrg2Nfinit |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fledz
You're just knit picking now. You know what I mean :p
An analog synthesiser is digital? What?
Why can't I compose a track solely out of analog synths, then hand over the raw project file to a label to press directly to vinyl? |
I personally don't believe this is a common occurance or if it is even feasible. Again correct me if i'm wrong, what is the percentage of producers that actually do this? Once you leave the realm of analogue and go to digital (whethere its a sequencer, digital sampler etc). then go back to analogue, the quality is lost.
What is the definition of a raw project file? |
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| stevö |
mastering aside, the main reason vinyl sounds different (imo and many others, better) is the source that is generating the sound. its a needle that vibrates and generates voltage variations via electromagnet, very similiar to how the pickup on an electric guitar works. with mp3/wav, its a DAC computer chip using many transistors. its a different sound. no matter how high the bit rate is, no matter how fancy the DAC, it will always have a different sound, fundamentally at the lowest level.
its really simple, we hear sounds because we live in a physical world filled with physical sound waves in the air. that means compression/decompression of air ... vibrations. how are you going to create a sound wave with electricity? a speaker. a speaker uses an electromagnet to move a diaphram back and forth really fast to create a sound wave. vinyl needle pickups and electric guitar pickups use an electromagnet to convert physical vibrations into electrical "vibrations", those electrical "vibrations" cause the electromagnet in the speaker to create them right back into physical vibrations again. it doesnt get any more direct than that. compare that to a file that contains a digital mapping of a soundwave which a DAC "connects the dots" to create a soundwave electronically. the soundwave made by a DAC will not be perfectly smooth like an analog one. no matter how high the bitrate (the fidelity of mapping points of the wave), it will never be perfectly smooth like an analog sound wave.
its why most people prefer the sound from an electric guitar to an electric guitar plugin, an analog synth to a plugin, and a vinyl to an mp3/wav. |
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| Nrg2Nfinit |
| quote: | Originally posted by stevö
mastering aside, the main reason vinyl sounds different (imo and many others, better) is the source that is generating the sound. its a needle that vibrates and generates voltage variations via electromagnet, very similiar to how the pickup on an electric guitar works. with mp3/wav, its a DAC computer chip using many transistors. its a different sound. no matter how high the bit rate is, no matter how fancy the DAC, it will always have a different sound, fundamentally at the lowest level.
its really simple, we hear sounds because we live in a physical world filled with physical sound waves in the air. that means compression/decompression of air ... vibrations. how are you going to create a sound wave with electricity? a speaker. a speaker uses an electromagnet to move a diaphram back and forth really fast to create a sound wave. vinyl needle pickups and electric guitar pickups use an electromagnet to convert physical vibrations into electrical "vibrations", those electrical "vibrations" cause the electromagnet in the speaker to create them right back into physical vibrations again. it doesnt get any more direct than that. compare that to a file that contains a digital mapping of a soundwave which a DAC "connects the dots" to create a soundwave electronically. the soundwave made by a DAC will not be perfectly smooth like an analog one. no matter how high the bitrate (the fidelity of mapping points of the wave), it will never be perfectly smooth like an analog sound wave.
its why most people prefer the sound from an electric guitar to an electric guitar plugin, an analog synth to a plugin, and a vinyl to an mp3/wav. |
you're speaking in terms of direct translation from analogue to analogue. What if you converted that analogue into a wave file so you could edit it, then save your final production as a wave file. If you translated that now to vinyl rather then keep it digital as the raw wave, Logically the it would sound worse. The original wave would sound better!
Again i ask, what is a raw project file? |
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| Fledz |
No, the vinyl sounds better and warmer because of the medium, not because of the way the track was made.
If you take an identical track in Wav and on vinyl, the vinyl to most people will always sound better. |
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| Tweak |
So there was a track in a Yunus set from 2002, opening track DoGu Dimmez - Possible.
Can anyone confirm for me if it was released as Opiate - Possible (also from 2002)? Just a wild guess, I could be completely wrong, but can't find anything about DoGu Dimmez. |
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| Lews |
| quote: | Originally posted by Tweak
So there was a track in a Yunus set from 2002, opening track DoGu Dimmez - Possible.
Can anyone confirm for me if it was released as Opiate - Possible (also from 2002)? Just a wild guess, I could be completely wrong, but can't find anything about DoGu Dimmez. |
What the ? No, seriously, what the ? |
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