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Do you mix to compensate for your speakers?
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| Beats and Beeps |
my krks are bass heavy, but dance music sounds great on them.
my hd280s lack bass, and even professional tracks have weak sounding bass in them, with the uppermids/highs being way to loud if you turn them up to hear bass clearly. |
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| DJ RANN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Beats and Beeps
my krks are bass heavy, but dance music sounds great on them.
my hd280s lack bass, and even professional tracks have weak sounding bass in them, with the uppermids/highs being way to loud if you turn them up to hear bass clearly. |
No KRK's are just not very good monitors. They lack quality through the entire spectrum.
You nearly always have to compensate in one way or another for monitors, even if you don't realize it, you may be doing it subconciously. There are exceptions though, such as the focals or barefoots which translate so well on broad range of systems that you really don't have to adjust your mixing as such - you just mix.
Don't forget, monitors are meant to be flat and that means they accurately reproduce sound. If they do that, and do it well, then technically there's no adjustment to be made by you.
I'll give you some examples:
Mackies HR824 mk1: have a muddy low mid, upper bass, even a slight scoop around 200hz. Great for Hifi translation, little problematic for other systems.
Adam A7 - so ing bright they sound like bacon cooking, but otherwise beautiful in detail.
Genelec 8020 - great detail, low end disappears below 90-100hz. Screech when pushed to go loud.
Dynaudio BM5 - great detail throughout but slightly more prominent in the mid and maybe a tiny (only tiny) bit dull (not enough treble.
Dynaudio BM6 - Again great detail but slightly too bright.
Yamaha HS80 - Damn Flat throughout, but not for small spaces as the bass gets out of control.
Yamaha HS50's - Nice detail but like the Gene 8020, serious loss of bass as you head south of 100hz.
Krk (all of them) - Flat-ish but muddy throughout the spectrum/ complete lack of detail. VXT8's are better in terms of detail but bass heavy.
Maudio (all of them) - not worth the cardboard boxes they come in.
Quested F11 - Great detail, very flat but bit scooped in the low mid.
Quested VS2108 - Superb detail, but front ported and boom in small or untreated space. |
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| Mad for Brad |
I'm about to get the RANN special. I never realized how cheap they were. Just waiting to collect on a project and i'm rich bitch.
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| johncannons1 |
I got EMES speakers. the yellow ones.
they set me back 1600 AUD when i bought them ages ago.
The sound pretty good.
I did buy a sub however to get more BASSSS! |
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| Beats and Beeps |
| quote: | Originally posted by johncannons1
I got EMES speakers. the yellow ones.
they set me back 1600 AUD when i bought them ages ago.
The sound pretty good.
I did buy a sub however to get more BASSSS! |
lol, what is the context of the quote in your sig?? |
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| Pagan-za |
I mix on antiques.
I have a 20year old TEAC sound system, original amp, tape player, turntable and SUBS.
Even the sub boxes have the original speakers in them still, although these days its hooked up to a monoblock amp(200W RMSx2) instead of the TEAC amp.
2x 12" subs with mids and tweaters, all hooked up to my pc. Makes me a happy boy.
Although strangely, they more satisfying when it comes to gaming than producing. I rarely produce or listen to music at high volumes, but when I play games its generally loud. No better feeling than blowing up and your roof rattles :D Same goes for my bass guitar I suppose.
On topic though, to an extent I do have to compensate for them, Just a matter of watching the EQ spectrum and balancing it out. |
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| Waza |
| Ok Rann since you have faults in all of these monitors, which one would you use? |
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| DJ RANN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Waza
Ok Rann since you have faults in all of these monitors, which one would you use? |
It's not all about "faults" as such in those monitors - yes, some do have faults but others are just characteristics, which have to be adjusted for. Some are better than others, and in some cases close to perfect all things considered, such as performance vs value:
If high budget: Focal twins or Barefoots.
If low to mid budget then Yama HS80's or if you have a little more cash then I personally like Dynaudio BM5's.
For low budget or small rooms the JBL LSR2325p's are by far the monitors in their price range.
If money is truly no issue then probably PMC BM2 with some nice amps like Classe. A lot of pro studios use B&W 802's but personally I don't like them and most engineers concede they have a scoop at 250hz but because they know this they work around. I find it unacceptable in monitors that cost $15k a pair but others say they sound so goos in other areas they're worth it. |
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| Andy28 |
Its only an extra £45 for a pair of HS80's over the JBL LSR2325p's..
So is it worth paying that few more quid? |
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| DJ RANN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Andy28
Its only an extra £45 for a pair of HS80's over the JBL LSR2325p's..
So is it worth paying that few more quid? |
IMO, yes because the HS80's have slighter better bass extension....
.....but (and it's a big one), if you have a small space or the speakers are going to be close to any walls, the HS80's are going to be a complete no-no. They just boom and the bass is all over the place.
I actually went for the JBL LSR2325p for home use becuase my home studio is quite small - they perform better than any small speaker I've ever heard, especially in smaller or untreated spaces.
So if you have the space, get the HS80's, if you don't go, for the LSR2325p's, either way, you're in a good spot. |
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| Andy28 |
| well the £45 wouldnt have been such a big deal, however my room aint that big and yes they would be against (just about) the walls.. Im not after something loud, just quality(ish).. So if the HS80's are to boomy, what about the HS50's, almost £100 cheaper than the JBL's for the pair (going off dv247.com, seem quite cheap compered to other stores). Or would these lack too much in the bottom end? |
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| Kenny Rogers |
be aware of the midrange of HS80! i couldnt really hear pitch on them, i have no idea why, whether it was lacking volume or what it was. i just didnt feel the melody through them, probably terrible for vocals. also in my small untreated room they very boomy as hell, i had to get genelec 8020 and are now very happy with them (eventhough they dont play loud or deep). id love to test out the JBLs too but it was hard to do around here.
Today i tested the Adam A5X and A7X for a friend of mine, and boy are they colored, i seriously dont understand how anyone can like these for anything else than gaming/surround/movies. I also tested Dynaudio Focus 110A (active hifis, not monitors in the same way, might be comparable to BM6A or something) and they where ing SWEEEEET! damn the sound on these where nice, but be aware they where hifis so maybe their not honest enough.
just my two cents.
edit: i see u consider the HS50. they are very different from the HS80. they HS80 have a great midbass and image (stereo etc) but the HS50 just sounds harch all the way through imo. but still the HS80 dont work in small rooms and you have the midrange problem, you should really consider the JBLs. And dont forget Tannoys lol. And Focal CMS.
i dont know who im talking to btw but theres only a few monitors in that pricerange id consider after my latest experiences:
JBL LSR 5"
Tannoy Reveal 6"
Genelec 8020 4"
Focal CSM 4"
Feel like im repeating myself in every thread lately. I believe the JBLs are the most all-round of these. I went for gens but i understand those wont work for everyone. |
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