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Album - Superstition [Breakbeat] - Now with singles (pg. 3)
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| EddieZilker |
| quote: | Originally posted by Unique2701
Are you going to share the tracks seperately? I'm not really a fan of mixed albums :p |
I am actually considering pulling out all the salient themes from the beginning of their introduction to their end and putting them into singles. It could be a tedious process, however, kind of like un-knitting a sweater to make socks from all the colors of its yarn.
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Thanks, again. |
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| djsaintdog |
| quote: | Originally posted by Mad for Brad
no temper here. I just thought perhaps you could of made 3 minutes of something that was more interesting and developed than the 1 hour of boring uninteresting poorly crafted work you made here. It sounds like you've been making music for about 1 month. I just don't get how you can talk rather maturely about music but then make something so poor in craftsmanship. |
Seriously Eddie...not tryin' to knock you but, you left an extensive criticism about muy 1 minute plus intro to something I have just started (new to this )...New I'm just starting to work with...Never in my head did I think I could compete with you after reading your comment....Though you did give me some pointers much appreciated, after listening to just 5 minutes (much too long) of whatever you call this...I find it rather...dumbifying...Maybe you have classified this as breakbeat..but to me this would be something danceable if you have a group of drug addicts passing around whatever you guys do, And listen to this crap just because everybody is High and you are probably supplying whatever such group is in to. They tell you what you want to hear in order to get whatever you are supplying...Now I realize what you meant when you could'nt come up with like mine...Why even comment when your doesn't even reach my ankles? I know I will get comments from your boys who digest your just for great comments from you but, gimme a in' break. Your will play in a bar around 6am...when everybody is stoned out of their minds!!!..Sorry but I have to agree with Mad for Brad on this one! Only for this post...Haven't heard any other of your posts but seriously inclining not to, after what I heard on this one...If you have anything close or upto par with my minute and a half...please feel free to PM me so I can take a listen. |
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| EddieZilker |
| quote: | Originally posted by djsaintdog
Seriously Eddie...not tryin' to knock you but, you left an extensive criticism about muy 1 minute plus intro to something I have just started (new to this )...New I'm just starting to work with...Never in my head did I think I could compete with you after reading your comment....Though you did give me some pointers much appreciated, after listening to just 5 minutes (much too long) of whatever you call this...I find it rather...dumbifying...Maybe you have classified this as breakbeat..but to me this would be something danceable if you have a group of drug addicts passing around whatever you guys do, And listen to this crap just because everybody is High and you are probably supplying whatever such group is in to. They tell you what you want to hear in order to get whatever you are supplying...Now I realize what you meant when you could'nt come up with like mine...Why even comment when your doesn't even reach my ankles? I know I will get comments from your boys who digest your just for great comments from you but, gimme a in' break. Your will play in a bar around 6am...when everybody is stoned out of their minds!!!..Sorry but I have to agree with Mad for Brad on this one! Only for this post...Haven't heard any other of your posts but seriously inclining not to, after what I heard on this one...If you have anything close or upto par with my minute and a half...please feel free to PM me so I can take a listen. |
Mad4Brad has credibility, at least. I think he sometimes squanders it and if I react poorly to something he says, it's because I respect him. You have a song with '80's sensibilities, a bad case of ear fatigue, and no reading comprehension skill. |
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| Mad for Brad |
| for what it is worth, I was in a bad mood and I tend to become Simon Cowell. I don't feel goos knowing what I said hurt you. I tend to assume everyone wants to be a miserable professional. |
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| EddieZilker |
| quote: | Originally posted by Mad for Brad
for what it is worth, I was in a bad mood and I tend to become Simon Cowell. I don't feel goos knowing what I said hurt you. I tend to assume everyone wants to be a miserable professional. |
Well, I do respect you and, because you don't hear the shiny glory of my epic master-piece with the ear that I do, doesn't negate the potential for it being a complete and total wank-fest. I kind of figured you were in a bit of a foul mood, but I also don't want to discount the validity of your opinion by blaming it on you being in a foul mood. Things are what they are.
Thanks. |
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| TranceLover007 |
Eddie, you never should be sorry for your creation - it is yours and only yours with your view and your way of expressing it - be proud and keep working/learning/improving and good thinks will happen - just believe in yourself.
Cheers form your friend. |
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| theterran |
I liked the fist 40...but after around that point I just couldn't listen on...It all sounds very similar and I suppose my ADD brain can't handle much more than 30 mins of something that sounds the same. (Or very subtley similar)
For what it is, it's cool!...An hour long track is pretty beastly work! But I think there has to be some sort of progression...logical progression that would make sense to everyone...
Some of the transition work could be looked at as well...
Some of the melodic changes like at 11:00 are hard to listen to and end up pulling me out of the music repeatadly. Might be the strong dissonance or discordant harmonies holding tension for too long...
Or I find the track being nicely set in chordally but there will be some overlying synth causing some disturbance (21:08).
Might try ever-so-slightly seating that synth into the background a bit more on the transitions. (the underlying one at say 22:40 was nice)
Guess I did listen a bit further than I thought...
Synths at 37:00 didn't quite fit for me and noted it as something that pulled me out of the song more than once.
Something like the synth at 49:45 was pleasant. If you could maybe find a better array of "cool" sounds (using it in warm/cold context) to compliment your percs / mellow style, that would benefit future tracks I think.
Paging through, best part in it's entirety was I think from 59:00 onwards. Again, good use of "cool" sounds like the piano and softer synths, rather than the warm ones. Harmonies were nice and calm rather than discordant which caused a bit of passive listening discomfort for me.
So to tl;dr : I think you' benefit most from a more concise progression to a key point or theme, something memorable otherwise it comes acrossed as meandering and without focus. I'd try to make more effective use of the dissonance for tension purposes, and try not to have it going all of the time. Some parts of that track did end up stressing me out a bit...
So there's my dolla fitty worth, good/bad ugly, basically the notes I wrote down while I listened...Hope it's useful mr. Eddie :) |
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| EddieZilker |
| quote: | Originally posted by theterran
I liked the fist 40...but after around that point I just couldn't listen on...It all sounds very similar and I suppose my ADD brain can't handle much more than 30 mins of something that sounds the same. (Or very subtley similar)
For what it is, it's cool!...An hour long track is pretty beastly work! But I think there has to be some sort of progression...logical progression that would make sense to everyone...
Some of the transition work could be looked at as well...
Some of the melodic changes like at 11:00 are hard to listen to and end up pulling me out of the music repeatadly. Might be the strong dissonance or discordant harmonies holding tension for too long...
Or I find the track being nicely set in chordally but there will be some overlying synth causing some disturbance (21:08).
Might try ever-so-slightly seating that synth into the background a bit more on the transitions. (the underlying one at say 22:40 was nice)
Guess I did listen a bit further than I thought...
Synths at 37:00 didn't quite fit for me and noted it as something that pulled me out of the song more than once.
Something like the synth at 49:45 was pleasant. If you could maybe find a better array of "cool" sounds (using it in warm/cold context) to compliment your percs / mellow style, that would benefit future tracks I think.
Paging through, best part in it's entirety was I think from 59:00 onwards. Again, good use of "cool" sounds like the piano and softer synths, rather than the warm ones. Harmonies were nice and calm rather than discordant which caused a bit of passive listening discomfort for me.
So to tl;dr : I think you' benefit most from a more concise progression to a key point or theme, something memorable otherwise it comes acrossed as meandering and without focus. I'd try to make more effective use of the dissonance for tension purposes, and try not to have it going all of the time. Some parts of that track did end up stressing me out a bit...
So there's my dolla fitty worth, good/bad ugly, basically the notes I wrote down while I listened...Hope it's useful mr. Eddie :) |
I get what you're saying. To be honest, this was a proof of concept exploration as well as reconnaissance mission. While some of your comments seem to pertain to stylistic elements I like and would keep, I also think you picked up on some places where I was forcing myself out of the corner I had worked myself into. I was also, since it was an unorthodox undertaking to begin with, going outside of my normal modus operandi and aiming for something that was a bit challenging - if not for the listener than for myself.
Regardless, there's a huge lists of lessons learned I'm already thinking about for my next venture. I'm glad you listened to the whole thing, though. There was one person who listened to it, twice, but still didn't think it lived up to its potential. I definitely appreciate your insights, though. |
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| EddieZilker |
| quote: | Originally posted by TranceLover007
Eddie, you never should be sorry for your creation - it is yours and only yours with your view and your way of expressing it - be proud and keep working/learning/improving and good thinks will happen - just believe in yourself.
Cheers form your friend. |
Thanks, man. I'll stop well short of ever apologizing for it. While I hope everyone who listens to it enjoys it and that it is never widely regarded as a random assemblage of musical syllogisms, I basically started it to find out if I could finish it, what it would take to do so, and learn what I could, along the way. Maybe it's not Emmy material, but I still think it's well worth the price it's selling for. ;) |
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| TranceLover007 |
And this is the way it should be - well said Eddie.
Cheers |
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| MSZ |
| ok its late, i tried listening to it actively, but i had to stop at 16minutes in, then i skipped around after that im glad i did. up until that point though i liked it, thought it was some of ur best work. maybe ill try again tomorrow. i feel as it should change and evolve more throughout. |
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| heliontide |
I wouldn't really call this breakbeat.. it's actually hard to nail in any one specific genre. Ambient, some breakbeat yes, but I would just really call this experimental chillout, or something of that nature. It's bizarre, and sounds unstructured almost. Fitting for what it is, I suppose. Personally it would drive me absolutely mental if I had to listen to the entire track for whatever reason - for one I'm biased and don't really dig this style of music to begin with, and secondly I didn't find this song even remotely memorable or appealing.
I also don't really understand why it needs to be 65 minutes.. this could have been at a healthy 5-10 minute mark, and sustained much more energy (or lack there of) and/or emotion than forcing the listener to sit through a useless repetition of essentially the same thing over and over again. Rhodes keyboards playing awkward phrases with no real melodic purpose behind a choppy beat for over an hour is useless and does nothing for the song's integrity. After 3 minutes I found myself tuning it out entirely and completely lost where it was going. Considering you seem like a man of brute honesty, I assume you would appreciate this more than anyone. I also find it quite ironic and humourous that you troll and rip on a lot of people's music here in spite of the fact that your own tracks could make a sloth yawn. But like I've said, you can't please everybody.
Happy producing! |
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