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Robocop (pg. 6)
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| srussell0018 |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
As I said, I just do not know what the gameplan was with the Starship Troopers script, at all. Many people seem to think the film is a parody of Heinlein's views, but I'm not sure what points you scored for satirising Cold War right wing ideology in 1997. And why parody Full Metal Jacket into the bargain. Is that a film that deserves mocking? Why is there so much teen drama bull in there? And an homage to Zulu? What's the ing target here, Verhoeven? |
The target was probably American teenagers/young adults probably, hence the teen drama bull. What scene(s) did you think parodied Full Metal Jacket? Are you likening the public lashings to the soap in the sock, or what?
I'm not sure about the Cold War right wing ideology satire, as in the case of Starship Troopers, earth actually was attacked, thus the invasion of the bug home planet wasn't preemptive. |
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| Halcyon+On+On |
| quote: | Originally posted by srussell0018
earth actually was attacked |
Or was it??? |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| I'm aware that Full Metal Jacket didn't invent boot camp, but the whole boot camp sequence is just FMJ turned up to the levels of farce. |
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| srussell0018 |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
I'm aware that Full Metal Jacket didn't invent boot camp, but the whole boot camp sequence is just FMJ turned up to the levels of farce. |
Eh, I'm not so sure I'm with you on that one. Lots of war movies that include a boot camp sequence have a hardass drill instructor, people debating quitting, etc. I don't think it was the aim to satirize FMJ in this one. |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| How many of those films came before FMJ? |
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| srussell0018 |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
How many of those films came before FMJ? |
Fair point, but does that then mean that any film that portrays a tough drill instructor in boot camp that came out after FMJ is satirizing/paying homage to FMJ?
From what I've gathered from all the people I've known who have served in the military, that's just a slightly exaggerated portrayal of how it actually is. |
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| Halcyon+On+On |
I think it's more of a matter of both FMJ and Starship Troopers attempting to satirize the same thing, although FMJ pulled it off with far more depth.
Though much of Starship Troopers can basically be reduced to that coed shower scene. The way with which everyone holds themselves in that scene is interesting - as though their nudity before one another is a complete lapse in issue because they are all on the same 'side'. Nobody is bashful in the least, indeed they tease one another as if they were clothed - and this is fictional, futuristic, given the fact that earlier we heard Ironside pontificating the "failures of democracy", as though our personal inhibitions have been turned on their head by a government indistinguishable with the socialization of progressive coexistence, the audience left to fill in the blanks of how this came to be. They had a good thing going there, too... were it not for the fact that Rico and Dizzy eventually hooked up, throwing teenage emotions around with abandon, and the fact that Rico's parents were protestant to his enlistment far earlier than that- as though individualized desires and opinion were still something omnipresent enough that they can just be dismissed whenever there's an opportunity to show wet boobs. |
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| srussell0018 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On
I think it's more of a matter of both FMJ and Starship Troopers attempting to satirize the same thing, although FMJ pulled it off with far more depth.
Though much of Starship Troopers can basically be reduced to that coed shower scene. The way with which everyone holds themselves in that scene is interesting - as though their nudity before one another is a complete lapse in issue because they are all on the same 'side'. Nobody is bashful in the least, indeed they tease one another as if they were clothed - and this is fictional, futuristic, given the fact that earlier we heard Ironside pontificating the "failures of democracy", as though our personal inhibitions have been turned on their head by a government indistinguishable with the socialization of progressive coexistence, the audience left to fill in the blanks of how this came to be. They had a good thing going there, too... were it not for the fact that Rico and Dizzy eventually hooked up, throwing teenage emotions around with abandon, and the fact that Rico's parents were protestant to his enlistment far earlier than that- as though individualized desires and opinion were still something omnipresent enough that they can just be dismissed whenever there's an opportunity to show wet boobs. |
Most things can be dismissed whenever there's an opportunity to show wet boobs. |
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| Halcyon+On+On |
| Most things except wet boners! |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by srussell0018
Fair point, but does that then mean that any film that portrays a tough drill instructor in boot camp that came out after FMJ is satirizing/paying homage to FMJ? |
No, a lot of them are just copying it. |
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| Halcyon+On+On |
Well the last time I tried to make a new brand of Cola, I got my carbonated water, high fructose syrup, and caramel colour together, and exclaimed, "WELL , NOW WHAT?".
You won't see it on shelves for quite some time. |
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| srussell0018 |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
No, a lot of them are just copying it. |
They're portraying something that happens in real life. Just because FMJ happened to portray it first doesn't necessitate that any more recent examples are copying. Part of any war movie that has a bootcamp scene, or any amount of time spent showing bootcamp is just portraying something that happens in actuality. Jarhead has a tough drill instructor in it, who publicly humiliates the star of the movie too. That's just how drill instructors actually are. It doesn't mean they're copying FMJ, it just means they're getting it right.
I'm sure there have been movies before FMJ which portrayed bootcamp as well, so FMJ must have been copying them. |
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