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Kentucky Creationism Park (pg. 5)
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lira
You really want to give them a reason to whine and claim they're being persecuted!? |
that is better than state-funded woo poisoning young brains, absolutely. indeed seeing them irritated brings me joy.
| quote: | Originally posted by Lira
Didn't you learn anything from those annoying truthers that (incredibly) claim to be Galileo? |
yes, what i learned was that if you provide a suitable forum where woo can be created and disseminated, you get more woo.
| quote: | Originally posted by Lira
As a linguist, do you really reckon I like to know people out there believe the Tower of Babel actually existed? Do you know how frustrating it is to painstakingly study every detail about the evolution of language and have some git claim that he knows what happen because it's in the Bible, and the story he tells makes no sense whatsoever? |
the fact you would defend tax dollars being spent on something like this just makes me refer to my 2011 predictions :( |
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| Halcyon+On+On |
| I really do not see what is wrong with this. Disneyland is also a magical kingdom of fantasy and gift shops. |
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| ziptnf |
| quote: | Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On
I really do not see what is wrong with this. Disneyland is also a magical kingdom of fantasy and gift shops. |
Unfortunately, Disneyland is entertainment for children. This park is "education" for adults and children. |
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| Halcyon+On+On |
| No it's not. |
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| woscar |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lira
It's just like the Onion :stongue:
But if it fulfils all the necessary criteria to receive the funding, I don't see why not. For all I care, they should also subsidise the construction of a Buddhist themed-park, a Muslim recreational centre and a Hindu shopping mall in the same city if that helps boost the economy. |
I'd hate to bring in the "You're the weirdest atheist I've ever met" response again, but WTF Marcus?
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | | The biblical unicorn was a real animal, not an imaginary creature. |
sure... except it was a in' cow!... okay Aurochos really...
Hebrews say Re'em, Greeks don't understand the word but think the description is a lot like the traditional depiction of an Aurochos; call it a monokeros (one horn); stupid 17 century English guy assumes this means the medieval mythological unicorn uses "unicorn," 400 years later some in-bred creationist puts a horse with a horn on the ark and stands steadfast that...
| quote: | | To think of the biblical unicorn as a fantasy animal is to demean God’s Word, which is true in every detail |
*insert Jesus facepalm pic here* |
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| ziptnf |
| quote: | Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On
No it's not. |
I could only wish that it was satire. |
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| Halcyon+On+On |
| It can totally be satire. I actually want to go. |
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| Lira |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
that is better than state-funded woo poisoning young brains, absolutely. indeed seeing them irritated brings me joy. |
If you're gullible enough to let your brain be poisoned by that without state-funding, do you really reckon a theme-park is going to change all that? If anything, it should be a blessing (lol, pun intended!) for all of us because those nutters will all be in one place far from anything remotely sane.
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
yes, what i learned was that if you provide a suitable forum where woo can be created and disseminated, you get more woo. |
All right, when was the last time you saw someone who wasn't already a nutjob convert to woo?
Can you really see Moral Hazard - who is already a Christian - waking up one day and say "Hey, those guys are totally right, the Bible is literally true!"? Me neither.
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
the fact you would defend tax dollars being spent on something like this just makes me refer to my 2011 predictions :( |
Insofar as the legal system of the United States sees nothing illegal there, then I don't see why we should even care: it's not even our tax money, we don't live there!
| quote: | Originally posted by Moongoose
Oh they are going to claim that anyway. Its what they do. If there were only christians left in he world save for a single person who doesnt belive in that prick jc and hides in a came somewhere to avoid the death squads (the reason why there are only christians left in the world) they would claim that they are being persecuted by him. |
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Actually, I believe they'd become the persecutors then... and that's when it's time for me to annoy the hell out of them :p
| quote: | Originally posted by Moongoose
Oh i think every living physicist, biologist, chemist... it, every living scientist knows how frustrating it is to painstakingly study something and then have some with a bible claim that his work is wrong because god said so...and then have other stupid people believe him and not the scientists because...well, god said so! This frustration is all to well know to anyone who has ever had to deal with religious people. |
I just wanted to show PKC that they really get on my hippied-out , but I'd rather know they're free to be wrong and have the same rights we do (and, if the legal system is giving them an unfair advantage, we should totally revoke the privileges) than know they're silent because we don't let them speak and never have the opportunity to tell them how wrong they are.
| quote: | Originally posted by woscar
I'd hate to bring in the "You're the weirdest atheist I've ever met" response again, but WTF Marcus?
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If it's legal, and they're not out to hurt anyone, then why the hell not? If they start making bonfires with gay people, then I'll be the first to buy a plane ticket to Kentucky and Jake the hell out of their Bensons until they learn they need to deal with the existence of people they don't like. |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lira
If you're gullible enough to let your brain be poisoned by that without state-funding, do you really reckon a theme-park is going to change all that? If anything, it should be a blessing (lol, pun intended!) for all of us because those nutters will all be in one place far from anything remotely sane. |
its the principle of spending tax dollars on it. if people wanna create their own bastion of stupidity from their own coffers, then that's their choice.
| quote: | Originally posted by Lira
All right, when was the last time you saw someone who wasn't already a nutjob convert to woo? |
well logically it follows tht every single one of them was at one stage a non-believer in woo.
| quote: | Originally posted by Lira
Can you really see Moral Hazard - who is already a Christian - waking up one day and say "Hey, those guys are totally right, the Bible is literally true!"? Me neither. |
unfortunately for the world at large, most christians are not like craig. i dont see how you can defend the state pushing creationism onto its people.
| quote: | Originally posted by Lira
If it's legal, and they're not out to hurt anyone, then why the hell not? |
if you can't see how propogating anti-science bollocks ends up hurting people, then i really have nothing else to say. |
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| Fledz |
| It's the lack of separation of state and church that's the biggest problem. |
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| Lira |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
its the principle of spending tax dollars on it. if people wanna create their own bastion of stupidity from their own coffers, then that's their choice. |
Precisely. If the American legal system, which exists to serve the American people, doesn't see a problem, then let them be.
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
well logically it follows tht every single one of them was at one stage a non-believer in woo. |
But I find it hard to believe that they were not already raised as wooddites most of the time. Here, let me give you an example.
All the females in my family (weird division, I know) and a good friend whose relationship with me has become strained recently all subscribe to something I consider to be the most threatening woo in Brazil: Kardecism. It's an endemic woo in Brazilian culture and, unlike Creationism in the US, and it's got even a couple of recent blockbusters as you can see in the Wikipedia article. Let's check their backgrounds:- Granny Lira: Claims to be a medium, but lost her powers after some incident in the 80's.
- Younger Lirettes: Were raised under the spell of the matriarch. The men for some reason all rebelled against it.
- Lira's friend: Studied in a (private) Creationist school. Need I say more?
There you go, these people were already inclined to be wooed.
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
unfortunately for the world at large, most christians are not like craig. i dont see how you can defend the state pushing creationism onto its people. |
I don't defend the state pushing creationism onto its people. You won't ever hear me say that creationism should be taught in the school curriculum; you won't ever hear me say that the state should build the theme-park; however, if the state cooperates with similar enterprises, and this particular venture doesn't go against the law because the role played by the state is a minor one, then I fail to see the problem.
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
if you can't see how propogating anti-science bollocks ends up hurting people, then i really have nothing else to say. |
It hurts the proponents themselves. But, for all I care, if they want to take swimming lessons in a pool with acid, I'm not going to stop them.
But, does the existence of this theme-park hurt anyone that isn't already a creationist?
| quote: | Originally posted by Fledz
It's the lack of separation of state and church that's the biggest problem. |
The way I see it, and the way I think the legislators apparently see it as well, this would be a problem if the church was interfering with the law. However, the problem here is much much more subtle than that. |
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