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Bit rate crusher effect... Why was it invented?
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| cabledigital |
| Why was this horrid effect even created? Its just a cheap and ultimately nasty. It seems to work to a degree with harder styles, but I think it is just a cheap feature to throw in on any fx unit. Im specifically talking about the VESTAX VFX unit which does not even have a pitch modulation wheel, you have to press miniature buttons to transpose. The VFX has 3 user preset setting and to this day they hav not released any fx's except more lameness!! Shame to vestax! Cutting corner's and keeping there customer's hostage, well done! |
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| Mad for Brad |
some of the biggest rap hits used the akai sampler and at the time it had a lower bit depth. The result was a somewhat more crunchy sound. It is also in so many tracks that probably some of your favourite tunes use it. Every mix down to 16 bit uses it. It is everywhere. You just don't know what you are doing and you have a ty mixer. The problem is you, not the effect.
even the fader in the hands of an idiot can be deadly. |
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| cabledigital |
| quote: | Originally posted by Mad for Brad
some of the biggest rap hits used the akai sampler and at the time it had a lower bit depth. The result was a somewhat more crunchy sound. It is also in so many tracks that probably some of your favourite tunes use it. Every mix down to 16 bit uses it. It is everywhere. You just don't know what you are doing and you have a ty mixer. The problem is you, not the effect.
even the fader in the hands of an idiot can be deadly. |
Thanks for your uneducated valued judgment but it is not valid... try again idiot! |
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| Mad for Brad |
that is your rebuttal ? It isn't valid because you think it is wrong? Quit wanking and do a ing search you kangaroo molesting twat. Bit crushing is bit reduction. One of the most important elements in audio production and a common tool used all over the place probably as much as that ing cher effect.
Every single cd available for purchase lets just say in the last 10 years has "bit crushing " going on. The Akai MPC60 , the tool that pretty much made Rap , guess what, only had a bit depth of 12. Bit reduction once again.Every
The problem is that you don't know what the you are doing with your ty mixer. The effect is just an algorithm commonly used for audio in an artistic way.
And don't even bother with the uneducated low blow bs. I'm without a doubt the smartest person you've had the luxury to talk with in a really long time. Unfortunately , you are one of the daftest. I suppose the funniest part is that all those Vengeance samples in your track , well they are ing coated with bit crushing. Itis pretty much the genre's cliche effect. Now off. |
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| cabledigital |
| quote: | Originally posted by Mad for Brad
that is your rebuttal ? It isn't valid because you think it is wrong? Quit wanking and do a ing search you kangaroo molesting twat. Bit crushing is bit reduction. One of the most important elements in audio production and a common tool used all over the place probably as much as that ing cher effect.
Every single cd available for purchase lets just say in the last 10 years has "bit crushing " going on. The Akai MPC60 , the tool that pretty much made Rap , guess what, only had a bit depth of 12. Bit reduction once again.Every
The problem is that you don't know what the you are doing with your ty mixer. The effect is just an algorithm commonly used for audio in an artistic way.
And don't even bother with the uneducated low blow bs. I'm without a doubt the smartest person you've had the luxury to talk with in a really long time. Unfortunately , you are one of the daftest. I suppose the funniest part is that all those Vengeance samples in your track , well they are ing coated with bit crushing. Itis pretty much the genre's cliche effect. Now off. |
I'd rather someone else tell me how I am, not here to argue or be the smartest tech guru. stop your crap! I am a label trying to promote artist you schmuck! |
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| Stu Cox |
There's a big difference between using bit reduction to fit specific hardware (i.e. "I've recorded it at 16/24-bit but my sampler can only handle 12") and a DJ effect designed to drop the bit depth down as far as 2 bits.
And yes, bit reduction as an effect was probably first used to give certain sounds a crunchy retro sound in studio production, then someone just decided it would be a good idea to put it in DJ FX boxes... it's really easy to make, so why not eh?
As with any effect, it's best used sparingly and subtly IMO. With most effects you can make them more subtle by being careful with your wet/dry mix, but having your wet/dry at half-mast with a bitcrusher can sound a bit odd. Another way to keep it subtle is to only apply it to 1 channel when you've got 2 playing - e.g. use it to crunch up one track as you remove it from the mix.
It can sound quite cool just quickly sweeping out all of the bits across the last bar or two at the end of a phrase, then flicking straight back to full bit depth at the start of the next phrase when a bassline comes in or something, but again - use sparingly.
At the end of the day, if you don't like it, you don't have to use it! |
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| cabledigital |
| quote: | Originally posted by Stu Cox
There's a big difference between using bit reduction to fit specific hardware (i.e. "I've recorded it at 16/24-bit but my sampler can only handle 12") and a DJ effect designed to drop the bit depth down as far as 2 bits.
And yes, bit reduction as an effect was probably first used to give certain sounds a crunchy retro sound in studio production, then someone just decided it would be a good idea to put it in DJ FX boxes... it's really easy to make, so why not eh?
As with any effect, it's best used sparingly and subtly IMO. With most effects you can make them more subtle by being careful with your wet/dry mix, but having your wet/dry at half-mast with a bitcrusher can sound a bit odd. Another way to keep it subtle is to only apply it to 1 channel when you've got 2 playing - e.g. use it to crunch up one track as you remove it from the mix.
It can sound quite cool just quickly sweeping out all of the bits across the last bar or two at the end of a phrase, then flicking straight back to full bit depth at the start of the next phrase when a bassline comes in or something, but again - use sparingly.
At the end of the day, if you don't like it, you don't have to use it! |
Thankyou for your advice, it has given me inspiration. I am going to use it sparingly. At least you have understood the question. You are spot on, have a nice day :) |
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| Kenny Rogers |
| great thread lol. the effect you talk about suck, and i think daft punk where among those who made it popular in edm as an effect. robot rock is a prime example. |
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| PivotTechno |
T'is a poor workperson who blames the tools of their trade.
| quote: | Originally posted by cabledigital
I am a label trying to promote artist you schmuck! |
How so? |
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| Mad for Brad |
| quote: | Originally posted by cabledigital
I am a label trying to promote artist you schmuck! |
you are a label ? Do labels need to eat food ? No what we have here is a classic example of an idiot talking then throwing a tantrum when someone tells him he is off his rocker. |
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| Scrittah |
| quote: | Originally posted by cabledigital
I'd rather someone else tell me how I am, not here to argue or be the smartest tech guru. stop your crap! I am a label trying to promote artist you schmuck! |
I don't think it's possible to beat a comeback like that. |
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