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Islam is a Religion of Peace? (pg. 9)
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| ZuLi |
| quote: | Originally posted by Znack
..and Egypt.. |
Islamic terrorist groups have been almost non-existent here since the government practically eradicated them in the late 1990s (which is one thing our president doesn't get enough credit for). Are you just listing random Middle-Eastern countries? :conf:
Islamic fundamentalism has been on the rise ever since though. The ****s are everywhere now, spreading their Saudi-imported, West-hating, homophobic, women-degrading, anti-Semitic bull in the streets, the media, everywhere.
Even people who aren't really religious now feel guilty all the time for the stupidest , like having a bf/gf (even if they manage to never have sex), drinking a few beers...etc. I'm talking about good people who have never caused anyone any harm. I stop feeling bad for them though as soon as they start lecturing me about how I should believe in a god who, they themselves, refuse to respect enough to listen to.
/rant
Anyway, MrJiveBoJingles, EddieZilker, Arbiter: I agree that politics definitely is the reason behind probably 99.99% of all terrorist acts committed in the name of religion (in this case, Islam), but religion is (and always has been) an easy tool for political leaders to get a load of people all hyped up and do something serving a specific political agenda. I personally believe this to be the reason why religion still exists.
Some of the fairytales in religious books are fun/good/have moral depth, but there are also some that are very outdated and harmful to modern society. The vast majority of religious followers, sadly, do not know the difference, and even worse; believe in both types of fairytales literally. So when an Imam says that it is haram to vote for a Christian running for parliament, for example, the Muslim opponent automatically gets a load of votes. And whether the Quran actually does say that it is haram is irrelevant, the end result is that the vast majority (and I do not use the term lightly) believes the Imam because he "definitely knows more about religion than I do".
C0r version:
- Znack is probably talking out of his ass
- FML
- Politics uses religion only because religion is made in a way that allows it to be used by politics
- Add the fact that most of it is very bad for society
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- Profit?? |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Arbiter
Sheesh. It's called an analogy. I guess this just goes to show that there's nothing like a little fear-mongering to turn otherwise right thinking people into a pack of slavering neanderthals. |
Yeah, I read that wrong. |
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| Znack |
| quote: | Originally posted by EddieZilker
You seem to be ignoring the fact that if you took away the religion, you'd still be left with the motivations for violence. |
Really? And they are? |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Znack
Really? And they are? |
You’re an idiot. |
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| Znack |
| quote: | Originally posted by Arbiter
No ; the point is that there's no demonstrable increase, not that terrorism doesn't exist. I could find plenty of murders in the past few days by searching Google news, but there's a clear long-term downward trend in homicide rates. |
I’m sure the shia / sunni parents of the next group of disassembled children, will rejoice that your statistical analysis proves that, actually, their children aren’t dead. And that the sunni / shia suicide bomber that statistically didn’t blow himself up, was acting out of non religious motivations.
And therefore, we should all stop criticising islam, and focus out ire on the terrorism of America and Israel. Have I got that right? |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| quote: | Originally posted by Znack
I’m sure the shia / sunni parents of the next group of disassembled children, will rejoice that your statistical analysis proves that, actually, their children aren’t dead. |
For someone who professes to favor rational analysis, you lay the emotional appeals on pretty thick. Whatever the proper response to terrorism may be, I am pretty sure hysteria is not it. |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| I have to admit, though, the idea that Arbiter wants us to stop criticizing religion is rather amusing. :haha: |
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| Znack |
| quote: | Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
For someone who professes to favor rational analysis, you lay the emotional appeals on pretty thick. Whatever the proper response to terrorism may be, I am pretty sure hysteria is not it. |
Unless you're on the receiving end of course (which I've not been, I must add).
Sometimes, abstract arguments about the motivations of terrorists and statistical trends of violence, become divorced form the personal impact of these events on real people. Sometimes I think we need reminding exactly what terrorism actually means. |
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| EddieZilker |
| You seem to be thinking that the terrorist would have you look at it in some other way. |
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| Znack |
| quote: | Originally posted by EddieZilker
You seem to be thinking that the terrorist would have you look at it in some other way. |
The support for the I.R.A. from the American public. Putting dollars into a collection bucket is a far cry from putting body parts into a collection bucket.
Folk sitting in ivory towers, sheesh! |
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| EddieZilker |
| quote: | Originally posted by Znack
The support for the I.R.A. from the American public. Putting dollars into a collection bucket is a far cry from putting body parts into a collection bucket.
Folk sitting in ivory towers, sheesh! |
You're not getting what I'm pointing to. I'm talking about the psychological effect of terror - the fundamental goal of terror without which it would have no efficacy - and the impact it's had on you. In terms of having achieved that goal, regarding your thinking, I can think of two words your arch enemy would use to describe you:
Mission Accomplished |
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