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Tracks, Mono, Dual Mono sounding awesome
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| johncannons1 |
I had a quick question about mono, tracks etc.
There has been about a billion threads on making you track sound good in mono. Because club systems are in mono.
The thing i dont understand is when i put the plugin on logic direction mixer - mono. It makes the track sound weird.
The drums sound fine however the synths sound a little weird.
Even if i dont put much spread on them. Say if i used a preset straight from the TI..
Ive done this to pro's tracks and it sounds similar...
If clubs are mono how does it make the track sound good?
If festivals use the same thing how does it sound good there.
Im just confused... Is dual mono much different? |
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| ken_lee |
| anything in stereo will sound different in mono. imagine looking at nature with one eye. it still looks good but you cant navigate. |
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| Raphie |
you can not hear stereo fx on mono tracks ;)
club systems are not all mono.:p |
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| ken_lee |
| i bet this will be another great thread. |
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| DJ RANN |
oh my god, I think I'm going to explode!
for the mothering time last time
MOST CLUBS ARE NOT ING MONO!
seriously, which part of this is so ing difficult to understand?
Here's from the last thread just two weeks ago:
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RANN
For s sake, can we please once and for all dispell the myth that all clubs are ing MONO. :whip:
A hell of a lot of clubs are stereo, especially all the larger or higher spec ones, not to mention the venues which double up as threatre, live act or misc venues. I can count on one hand the number of venues I've been to in my life to that are only mono.
The misconception comes from two places: 1, what eric was describing as not being able to hear the full stereo spread unless you in the optimum listening position and...
2, Clubs that aren't stereo are DUAL MONO. It's not the same thing as saying MONO.
MONO means single source or channel. Dual Mono is two channels or two source so there is one channle for the L or one side of the PA and one for the R or other side
That means you don;t get the same sort of convergence between the two channels like in a stereo system (again mainly due to point number one above) but there is the inherent programmed differences of L vs R channels.
You don't need to produce in mono, but it's a good idea just to make sure your mix or certain sounds don't disappear when you collapse to mono. It's not just for clubs that may not have a perfect stereo reproduction, but also for ty one speaker radios or on old TV's etc.
So the idea is that you mix levels and track should be able to at least decently present on a mono source. One way of doing this is is what kit described, which is certainly a great way of doing it, and what you'll find in most pro mix houses, where the tracks are all individual (even the stereo are 2 channels for instance, not to mention the LCRLsRs for surround) and you build the stereo image from scratch.
Personally I find it overkill for our uses as we generally create the sounds as we go and do the mix as part of the producing process, and therefore know where sounds go in the mix.
I think it's fine to keep it a mix of mono and stereo channels, but doing regular checks in mono on the master output to make sure things don't disappear.
Ideally, you want your track to great in stereo but still OK in mono. In a perfect situation, the width would just disappear when switching to mono but the mix, relative levels and sounds are all the same. |
And if anyone still doesn't get it:
http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...&highlight=mono
Don;t mean to have a go at you jon, but christ that corpse has nothing left to be beaten out of it. |
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| johncannons1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RANN
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i remember reading it. Thats why when i did some googling today i found so so so many forums talking about clubs in mono. . .
thats why i was confused! |
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| Lunar Phase 7 |
It would be cool if people listed clus that are in mono.
I'm willing to bet any clubs using Funktion One, Cobra, Ohm, JBL, or the classic Sony Xplode 6x9 parcel shelf speakers for your Toyota, etc. don't use mono. |
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| Beatflux |
| What is convergence? |
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| ken_lee |
| n->infinite, y=constant. |
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| DJ TL |
quick question, ive been doing alot of research on phase and phase issues, and I am now making a more conscious effort to monitor in mono occasionally. I am wondering what one looks for when using a phase scope, does it actually tell you when it is out of phase?
I have Izotope ozone and it has two, a phase meter and a vectorscope.
The phase meter just goes back and forth...to the right when the signal is the same and to the left when the channels are different.
and the vectorscope gives you and overview of the stereo field.
Any ozone users care to chime in? |
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| lenieNt Force |
the correlation meter goes to the left side when its out of phase... You are mentioning it yourself so it actually looks like you know whats going on..
"The phase meter just goes back and forth...to the right when the signal is the same and to the left when the channels are different."
When the two channels are different it means the waves are out of phase.
A mix should always sound really good in mono, for its only seldom that you sit right infront of two speakers and hear the true stereo image... Imagine a pair of hifi speakers, on a home party.. Thats how people listen to your music.. They seldom sit right infront of the speakers in between them, to hear the correct stereo image.. For the track to sound good even while you move around in the house.. For you not to hear any phasing as you move around at your homeparty and dance... For the mix not to sound different as you move over to another room, it needs to sound as good as it can in mono. Mono is what counts, always, unless you sit right in the midst of your hifi and don't move your head, or your on a pair of headphones. What you hear when you move away from that point, is approaching mono, and the further you move away, soon it's completely mono, cause you don't hear two channels anymore, you hear the two mixed together as one, as all natural sounds in nature are. If you're music gets played normally at hifi's, it must sound good in mono if you want it to sound constant as you move around. It's not only for radio's and tv's etc.. It's for all the cases where you don't sit right in front of a pair of speakers.. At gyms, at homeparty's, in clubs, any place you occasionally hear music.. In coffee shops, in clothes shops, it's always mono, and you don't want it to sound phasy as you move around. Stereo is just an illusion thats nice when you sit IN FRONT of the speakers. In the middle. Else it doesn't work. And people seldom know this, so they won't sit right infront of them. Therefore, make sure it sounds exceptional in mono, cause thats mostly how you're music will get listened to, and thats a major part to how you can feel safe your tracks will sound good anywhere it's played, and regardless where you're placed. It's always easier to get your track balanced out correctly as you mix in mono, cause you don't get confused by the illusion of stereo.
So thats a lot of scrabbled text about what mono is and that it's more important than stereo if you want your mix to be constant across listening environments and listening positions. Sorry for no paragraphs.. Always remember your mix changes as you move, unless it's good in mono. |
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| DJ TL |
| so just because the left and right channels are different that means they are out of phase with each other |
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