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CDJ 850 vs CDJ1000 mk3 (pg. 2)
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| chewy dragee |
I love turntables.
I must say, there is no better piece of equipment than a CDJ1000 or 800 to do a spinback. It always sounds right and lasts just the right amount of time.
I get soooo fed up with the constant CD burning though. It's such a hassle for me. The USB with the CDJ2000 is a great idea, but I won't get any of those soon and have not used them. |
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| ken_lee |
| you should get sl1210. its the best. its analog you know. also its vinyl and they are forever, just like diamonds. |
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| djkatmaus |
| quote: | Originally posted by chewy dragee
I love turntables.
I must say, there is no better piece of equipment than a CDJ1000 or 800 to do a spinback. It always sounds right and lasts just the right amount of time.
I get soooo fed up with the constant CD burning though. It's such a hassle for me. The USB with the CDJ2000 is a great idea, but I won't get any of those soon and have not used them. |
The USB with the 2000 is pretty cool. I've used it a few times. The thumb drive was replaced with an external hard drive now because of available space. |
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| feelgood |
| quote: | Originally posted by ken_lee
you should get sl1210. its the best. its analog you know. also its vinyl and they are forever, just like diamonds. |
I like this. |
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| miamitranceman |
| quote: | Originally posted by chewy dragee
I love turntables.
I must say, there is no better piece of equipment than a CDJ1000 or 800 to do a spinback. It always sounds right and lasts just the right amount of time.
I get soooo fed up with the constant CD burning though. It's such a hassle for me. The USB with the CDJ2000 is a great idea, but I won't get any of those soon and have not used them. |
Get a dvs. It's the main reason I added one to the setup years ago.
No more burning. |
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| chewy dragee |
| quote: | Originally posted by miamitranceman
Get a dvs. It's the main reason I added one to the setup years ago.
No more burning. |
I've also got DVS, and it's also the reason I got it.
I was just refering to buying a CDJ vs just going digital with a controller or some such.
To OP I still say keep the 200's and save for a digital. After you have a digital setup then see if you still want/need the CDJs. |
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| miamitranceman |
| quote: | Originally posted by chewy dragee
I've also got DVS, and it's also the reason I got it.
I was just refering to buying a CDJ vs just going digital with a controller or some such.
To OP I still say keep the 200's and save for a digital. After you have a digital setup then see if you still want/need the CDJs. |
Ah I gotcha. Looks like were in agreement then!
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| Simon_N |
| quote: | Originally posted by DjWoody
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If you use traktor and turn the auto beat match off. Is it still as accurate as the 0.02 that's on the cdj's? |
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| Stu Cox |
| quote: | Originally posted by Simon_N
If you use traktor and turn the auto beat match off. Is it still as accurate as the 0.02 that's on the cdj's? |
If the pitch sliders are typical MIDI controls, which I expect they are, they're encoded as 7-bits, i.e. allow 128 values. In Traktor you can adjust the pitch range, so with a range of +/-8% you'll have a resolution of 0.125% (bigger pitch range, less accuracy)
So it's a lot worse than a CDJ.
You can get pretty good control over the pitch range in Traktor, so you could opt for a smaller range to improve your resolution, but to get a resolution of 0.02% your pitch range would have to be just +/-1.28%
This isn't a limitation of Traktor, it's a limitation of MIDI... the Kontrol S4 would give you much better resolution as it talks to Traktor using a different protocol called NHL (as far as I'm aware the Pioneer controller doesn't use NHL) |
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| Simon_N |
| quote: | Originally posted by Stu Cox
If the pitch sliders are typical MIDI controls, which I expect they are, they're encoded as 7-bits, i.e. allow 128 values. In Traktor you can adjust the pitch range, so with a range of +/-8% you'll have a resolution of 0.125% (bigger pitch range, less accuracy)
So it's a lot worse than a CDJ.
You can get pretty good control over the pitch range in Traktor, so you could opt for a smaller range to improve your resolution, but to get a resolution of 0.02% your pitch range would have to be just +/-1.28%
This isn't a limitation of Traktor, it's a limitation of MIDI... the Kontrol S4 would give you much better resolution as it talks to Traktor using a different protocol called NHL (as far as I'm aware the Pioneer controller doesn't use NHL) |
Ah yeah didn't consider the limitations of midi. For that reason i think I'll probably save the extra and get some second hand 1000's. |
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| Stu Cox |
| quote: | Originally posted by Simon_N
Ah yeah didn't consider the limitations of midi. For that reason i think I'll probably save the extra and get some second hand 1000's. |
Yep I think it would put a lot more people off if they realised, but if you're happy to ride the pitch a bit then it's fine! It's only slightly worse than a CDJ100 and loads of DJs have played fine on those, but I agree it feels like a bit of a step backwards.
If your MIDI controller has a couple of spare sliders, you could go for a coarse / fine arrangement like Vestax turntables have: one sliders does +/-8% in 0.125% increments and another does say +/-1% relative to that in 0.016% increments, or even finer than that if you want.
Even with the DDJ-T1 you could remap a button (e.g. the sync button if you're not using it) to switch between the two, so normally the slider offers the coarser range, but when holding down the button it gives you the fine range, or vice versa - whatever works for you.
I've got one of my MIDI controllers set up like that and it works quite nicely.
Obviously DVS doesn't have the same limitation either as it controls the pitch in a different way, it's theoretically as accurate as your CDJ / turntable (see other threads for arguments over which DVS systems are the most accurate!) |
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I would think these would feature 14-bit MIDI. Hasn't that been around for a few years already? That would enable a 0,0009765625% precision at ±8% in theory. I doubt the sliders would be able to detect the 16384 different positions reliably though, so the precision would be smaller than 0,0009765625%. Probably closer to the 0,02% of normal Pioneer CDJs as the 0,02% precision is probably caused by the hardware restrictions in those. It's not gonna be easy to cram a lot more recognition points to the slider without making it longer. Even now the 0,02% movement requires a really short move of the slider.
Anyway, I guess we'll see if these have 14-bit or 7-bit MIDI when they're available and what the real life precision is when they're available. |
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