Originally posted by Joss Weatherby
Probably not, seeing that all of Israel was theirs before the Jewish state was created... They have a legitimate grievance.
oh boy, here we go. lol
Comrade Stalin
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Originally posted by The17sss
This is misguided. You assume those conducting such activities are simply a peaceful people lashing out because they won't be left alone. Their whole goal of the fundamentalists is the imposition of Islam on everyone else by any means necessary. For example, and I don't want to turn this into a Jew/Arab thing, but do you think if Israel was cut in half and a Palestinian state was officially created, Hamas would drop their guns, shake hands with Israelis, and be like, "Welp... mission accomplished. This is what we wanted and now it's time to mind our own business."?
That's out of the context though and I won't touch on that issue which way or the other here. The war in Chechnya is obviously a war of independence. Russia says no, bombs them to hell, and expects no retaliation in return? That's not how the world works. Eventually the school yard bully is going to get his nose bloodied by one of his fed up victims.
Joss Weatherby
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Originally posted by The17sss
oh boy, here we go. lol
Even if you think Israel is a legitimate state you can not deny that the people that were displaced in its creation do not themselves consider it a legitimate cause for struggle right?
I mean if Canada was given part of New England, and denied the majority of its citizens basic rights, and then 50 years later said "oh yea, you can have half of it back, just the ty parts, oh and they might be disconnected, OH and we will probably still bomb the out of you if anyone tries anything funny" would you not think that maybe the people there might have a good reason to be pissed off?
Are you unable to understand why these people are mad? You know thats what terrorist organizations like the most? Blind hatred towards them prevents people from dealing rationally with the situation until the terrorists can score such an emotional toll that they will win an emotional concession, hopefully one that is far beyond what a rational person might concede.
geroin
moment of explosion
Arbiter
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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby
Even if you think Israel is a legitimate state you can not deny that the people that were displaced in its creation do not themselves consider it a legitimate cause for struggle right?
We're lucky nobody was ever displaced in North America so we don't have to deal with these kinds of problems.
pozz
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Originally posted by Arbiter
We're lucky nobody was ever displaced in North America so we don't have to deal with these kinds of problems.
500 years out of date.
Joss Weatherby
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Originally posted by Arbiter
We're lucky nobody was ever displaced in North America so we don't have to deal with these kinds of problems.
I think a deep feeling of hypocrisy underlies a lot of our policy on Israel.
djnitride
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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby
I think a deep feeling of hypocrisy underlies a lot of our policy on Israel.
Haha, more like a deep feeling of guilt.
Its ironic, one of our most fiscally sound presidents was responsible for removing the indians. Andrew Jackson payed off the national debt, but also practically wiped out the indians.
pozz
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Originally posted by djnitride
indians
one of my professors had this anecdote to tell: a indian (aboriginal, native american) told him he preferred to be called indian, cuz its a testament to white man's stupidity.
Lews
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Originally posted by djnitride
Its ironic, one of our most fiscally sound presidents was responsible for removing the indians. Andrew Jackson payed off the national debt, but also practically wiped out the indians.
I don't think you're using that word correctly.
Also, he may have gotten rid of the bank and payed off the debt, but he also caused huge amounts of inflation, a huge amount of state debt, and the panic of 1837, which was a terrible depression. Not really sure how that can be considered fiscally sound.
Nrg2Nfinit
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Originally posted by Arbiter
We're lucky nobody was ever displaced in North America so we don't have to deal with these kinds of problems.
We're lucky that they only had bows and arrows as weapons and were easily seduced by alchohol and small pox.
Also, keep in mind how long it took America to fully colonize and function as a country. Over 500 years.
Give them some time. It's only been about 60 years or so.
Nrg2Nfinit
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Originally posted by Lews
Also, he may have gotten rid of the bank and payed off the debt, but he also caused huge amounts of inflation, a huge amount of state debt, and the panic of 1837, which was a terrible depression. Not really sure how that can be considered fiscally sound.
