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| The17sss |
| quote: | Originally posted by Theresa
There is a massive debate about what is causing women to flood into "care taking" career choices. Why are there so many more women enrolled in nursing, education, etc. than men? |
Because they're easy jobs and open positions are always available regardless of location... but mostly because they're easy. Leave the math and science to the fellas. ;)
| quote: | Originally posted by Theresa
Women are going through a major transition in roles. Our mothers and grandmothers come from generations where being nothing but a perfect little doll-like housewife and a mother was the norm and expected. |
Where do you live? I've known more women my mother's age in my life that have worked their asses off for years, and weren't "expected" to be some stereotypical 1950s housewife. |
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| Theresa |
| quote: | Originally posted by The17sss
Because they're easy jobs and open positions are always available regardless of location... but mostly because they're easy. Leave the math and science to the fellas. ;)
Where do you live? I've known more women my mother's age in my life that have worked their asses off for years, and weren't "expected" to be some stereotypical 1950s housewife. |
If you think teaching and nursing is easy, you have your head jammed so far up your ass that I am truly amazed you can even read this.
As for open positions - nursing, yes. Teaching? Here in Canada, no.
A lot of people's parents are older. My best friend's mom is 60 and was always just the good housewife. But who cares? That's irrelevant. My point is that these values and traditions trickle down and it hasn't yet been completely phased out or forgotten. |
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| The17sss |
| quote: | Originally posted by Theresa
If you think teaching and nursing is easy, you have your head jammed so far up your ass that I am truly amazed you can even read this.
As for open positions - nursing, yes. Teaching? Here in Canada, no.
A lot of people's parents are older. My best friend's mom is 60 and was always just the good housewife. But who cares? That's irrelevant. My point is that these values and traditions trickle down and it hasn't yet been completely phased out or forgotten. |
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Man, tweaking you is too easy. In truth, no nursing is definitely not easy, and it's not an easy degree to obtain. General caretakers though, like a CNA or whatever support staff does that stuff... what's so difficult about that?? I did a 1000 hour internship in college at a long-term care facility and I saw it on a daily basis... the actual nurses knew their . But the subordinate caretakers/assistants probably couldn't read The Cat In The Hat. Teaching though- I don't know how it is in Canada, but you don't have to be the sharpest knife in the drawer to be a teacher here for the most part. And once you're on the job, thanks to the ridiculous teacher's unions, you virtually need to rape the Principal in front of her kids to get fired (with pay!).
I kinda get a kick out of how your posts inevitably turn into some deep sociological philosophy. Are you a Social Worker or something? |
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| Sushipunk |
| quote: | Originally posted by The17sss
Because they're easy jobs and open positions are always available regardless of location... but mostly because they're easy. Leave the math and science to the fellas. ;) |
:wtf:
Edit: You were trolling then? |
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| Lira |
| quote: | Originally posted by The17sss
Because they're easy jobs and open positions are always available regardless of location... but mostly because they're easy. Leave the math and science to the fellas. ;) |
Computers don't poop. Babies and elderly people do.
Women's jobs are therefore harder. Q.E.D. |
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| The17sss |
| quote: | Originally posted by Sushipunk
:wtf:
Edit: You were trolling then? |
Of course- it's like picking low hanging fruit, tossing out a chauvinistic remark when Theresa's on her soapbox. :p
But I wasn't kidding about teaching jobs being a joke for the most part. |
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| Theresa |
| quote: | Originally posted by The17sss
:stongue:
Man, tweaking you is too easy. In truth, no nursing is definitely not easy, and it's not an easy degree to obtain. General caretakers though, like a CNA or whatever support staff does that stuff... what's so difficult about that?? I did a 1000 hour internship in college at a long-term care facility and I saw it on a daily basis... the actual nurses knew their . But the subordinate caretakers/assistants probably couldn't read The Cat In The Hat. Teaching though- I don't know how it is in Canada, but you don't have to be the sharpest knife in the drawer to be a teacher here for the most part. And once you're on the job, thanks to the ridiculous teacher's unions, you virtually need to rape the Principal in front of her kids to get fired (with pay!).
I kinda get a kick out of how your posts inevitably turn into some deep sociological philosophy. Are you a Social Worker or something? |
I am currently getting my honors in psychology (more specific to developmental psychology, but I have been taking extra courses in cognitive and social psychology as well).
Teachers in Canada have to get a 4 year bachelor and then attend a 1-2 year program (dependent on where they live) specific to teaching (bachelor of education/teacher's college). Most teachers however, have much more education than that since they are often hired based on experience and education levels. It's VERY difficult to get a job as a teacher in Canada, and once you do, you get underpaid and overworked and there isn't a lot of job security. Teachers can have up to 40-50 students and sometimes up to 4 different classes to teach (depending on which grade level they are in). The performance of their students heavily reflects on them, but of course ty parenting and bratty kids can make this incredibly difficult. Teachers have no rights and no way of enforcing good behaviour. They get screamed and yelled at, told to off, some teachers are even attacked and threatened. But of course, if a teacher were to do anything about it, parents would be screaming and freaking out about it. Teaching is absolutely NOT an easy job. People give teachers flack for getting a 2 month vacation blah blah blah, but if you had to deal with 50 kids every single day, you would need a 2 month vacation too.
Perhaps you have a different perspective on how difficult care taking jobs are due to being American and having a very different health care system. Here in Canada, the brain drain has heavily resulted in under-staffing, over-working and more responsibilities being spread out (AKA more and more lower levels are being charged with duties that were once only for nurses). Not to mention that they have to deal with angry patients who have waited hours to be seen etc. I am sure Jenny could fill you in on how difficult it is. |
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| Moongoose |
No, hes being patronising...so if you count that as trolling :D
| quote: | | Teaching though- I don't know how it is in Canada, but you don't have to be the sharpest knife in the drawer to be a teacher here for the most part. |
Clearly not, seen that recent thread about how many science teachers think teaching creationism is a good idea :) Clearly they need not only to be fired, but shot for the crime of making the country dumber. |
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| The17sss |
| quote: | Originally posted by Theresa
I am currently getting my honors in psychology (more specific to developmental psychology, but I have been taking extra courses in cognitive and social psychology as well). |
That's cool... developmental psych is interesting stuff (I'm not being sarcastic btw). The psych class "Sensation and Perception" was one of the most interesting and most difficult classes I ever took in college.
| quote: | Originally posted by Moongoose
Clearly they need not only to be fired, but shot for the crime of making the country dumber. |
I mean, I wish I could disagree... but I can't. :toocool: |
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| FuzzQi |
Developmental psych was the low point of my psych undergrad career. studying that again.
Ironically now I want to either do computer science or fine arts. |
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| -FSP- |
| Having been a product of the American public school system, I feel that pedagogy is a joke. |
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| Lira |
| quote: | Originally posted by -FSP-
Having been a product of the American public school system, I feel that pedagogy is a joke. |
Why? |
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