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Curious to see what people think of this remix (pg. 3)
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by srussell0018
I'm not sure about that. I think keeping some of the main elements of the original gives the crowd the nostalgia element, while giving it an actual groove to dance to. No offense to Jam and Spoon, but their version doesn't exactly make me want to jump out of my seat and onto the dance floor.
I don't think it's so much making it fit into a modern set, as it is making it something that people still want to hear and dance to. |
It's not even about a modern set, it's just about a certain style. And it's definitely the case. It doesn't matter how dated the J&S remix is, because this doesn't just happen to Age Of Love. It happens to hundreds of tracks, year in and year out. It happens to tracks less than half as old as Age Of Love. I've heard click-prog and side-chain remixes of dozens of classics in the last couple of years. These remixes are lazy and unnecessary. They exist because there are lots of lazy DJs who buy them, and most clubbers won't leave the dancefloor if they hear them. I never do, even when I'm faintly annoyed by them. You throw in a classic hook or vocal into a mix and enough people will be happy to hear it to ignore the basic inferiority of the remix.
Although this practice, it must be said, isn't inherently bad. People forget that Jam & Spoon's mix was an update mix that happened three years after the original. I like the PVD remix of Age Of Love the most, and that was made eight years on from the original. There are plenty of brilliant remixes made years after the original in then-trendy styles. Tilt's remix of Children, or Sasha and The Light updating Belfast, to give trancey examples.
The problem with this mix is it just sounds lazy. It's an extremely generic track, both structurally and sonically. It really is as though the Age Of Love bassline, hook and vocal samples were copy-pasted into a side-chain faux-prog template. Some of the percussion work is decent and the track isn't bad, but it's very boring and very uninspired. There are a few producers who can get away with copy-pasting samples into a set sound - Hardfloor and Fretwell spring to mind. Difference is that there is an instantly-recognisable Hardfloor sound that nobody else does. There isn't a Manuel De La Mare sound. Quite the opposite.
Generally it seems you have a very high tolerance for this kind of hyper-templated big-room 120-something material. |
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| srussell0018 |
Maybe so, but it's harder to find the stuff somebody like you would consider great when you just started listening to this kind of music in 2005 like I did. To me, if the beat moves you; if it makes you want to get up and dance, I tend to like it. Yeah, if I heard a set of the same thing for 3 or 4 hours, it'd get boring, but something like this, yeah I enjoy it.
It's got kind of a tribal-esque feel to it, and I think it's got a nice groove, while still keeping the trademark strings and vocals from the original.
I agree with you about not liking the J&S version all that much, but I think this track isn't as boring and uninspired as you, so I guess it's just a difference in opinions.
If it gives you any perspective, the first live act I saw was Armin van Buuren at the Guvernment in Toronto in 2006. My tastes have grown a quite a bit, as I've stopped listening to Trance Around the World and A State of Trance altogether, in favor of guys like J00F and SvD, but in general, if something sounds groovy to me, I like it. Even if there's a thousand other songs that are similar, I haven't heard those other 999 probably so I'm still into it.
It seems like everyone who has been into this scene for as long as some of the people have(yourself included, and I mean no offense whatsoever by this) have become quite jaded by the genre in general to the point where a track has to be so unique or so perfect for you even to consider it listenable. I hope that never happens to me.
Edit: I just re-read your post, and it's a little funny to me that you call it 120-something bpm big-room music. Some of the only clubs within a reasonable driving distance who play the kind of music I like(at least 3 hours), this would be the stuff playing in the smaller lounges of the club. The main-rooms there are full of AVB's, and Dash Berlins. So yeah, when I really want to dance and not be pushed around by sweaty meat-heads with their shirts off fist-pumping, I go to the smaller rooms that play this kind of stuff. |
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| TranceArmstrong |
| i liked it until the epic trance/white noise break... bassline and percussion is pretty cool IMO |
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| srussell0018 |
| quote: | Originally posted by TranceArmstrong
i liked it until the epic trance/white noise break... bassline and percussion is pretty cool IMO |
That's kind of how I felt as well. I can deal without the stand and sway breaks that a lot of trance incorporates. |
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| stealthman |
It's nothing special. Same old modern floor filler stuff. JOOF obviously knows better than this.
srussel:
Nobody should give a what the DJ thinks. If he likes the track, good for him. This doesn't mean everybody should bow down to him whilst getting their arseholes jammed with JOOF's preferences in music (same with the #trancefamily and Armin thing). Afterall, music should be subjective to ones taste. If I or Rebel9 doesn't like it, tough . It isn't your track, so don't take it as an offense. |
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| srussell0018 |
| quote: | Originally posted by stealthman
It's nothing special. Same old modern floor filler stuff. JOOF obviously knows better than this.
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Obviously he knows better, because he put it in his own podcast? I didn't put it there just because J00F likes the track, I posted it because I like it. I just pointed out that it was in a J00F podcast because even the elitist TA's still seem to think J00F is one of the few current trance producers/DJ's who is still credible.
And I don't take offense to anyone having dissimilar tastes in music to me, I just take offense to Rebel9 being alive. |
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| stealthman |
| quote: | Originally posted by srussell0018
Obviously he knows better, because he put it in his own podcast? I didn't put it there just because J00F likes the track, I posted it because I like it. I just pointed out that it was in a J00F podcast because even the elitist TA's still seem to think J00F is one of the few current trance producers/DJ's who is still credible. |
What I meant was.... JOOF has a ton of eclectic stuff in his collection based on his experience as a DJ, but like many DJ's do these days, play remixes of old tunes to keep up with the times in order to appeal to the masses. |
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| srussell0018 |
| quote: | Originally posted by stealthman
What I meant was.... JOOF has a ton of eclectic stuff in his collection based on his experience as a DJ, but like many DJ's do these days, play remixes of old tunes to keep up with the times in order to appeal to the masses. |
Ah, Okay. Well I don't think there's anything wrong with that personally. |
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| TranceArmstrong |
| If I was playing a big room techno set, I'd pitch down the J&S version and play it, if you need to sound "modern" then you haven't been paying attention to dance music, 2010 as a year was nothing but people trying to recreate the sounds of the 80s and 90s (and 70s too). |
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| Subtle |
It lacks depth and sounds a bit loopy.
Though Age Of Love is one of those tracks i cant remember ever having put on my speakers intentially. |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by srussell0018
It seems like everyone who has been into this scene for as long as some of the people have(yourself included, and I mean no offense whatsoever by this) have become quite jaded by the genre in general to the point where a track has to be so unique or so perfect for you even to consider it listenable. I hope that never happens to me. |
The longer you've been listening the more familiar things start to sound. It happens to almost everything. "Familiarity breeds contempt" as they say, and so we seek out the unfamiliar. It isn't a bad thing, when you have control over the music you hear. I could go on Spotify now and there's like 30+ albums I haven't even heard yet that I want to check out right now. That's without all the great music I already know exists.
| quote: | | Edit: I just re-read your post, and it's a little funny to me that you call it 120-something bpm big-room music. Some of the only clubs within a reasonable driving distance who play the kind of music I like(at least 3 hours), this would be the stuff playing in the smaller lounges of the club. The main-rooms there are full of AVB's, and Dash Berlins. So yeah, when I really want to dance and not be pushed around by sweaty meat-heads with their shirts off fist-pumping, I go to the smaller rooms that play this kind of stuff. |
This makes sense. Basically you live in such a ty area for music that you have to accept lower standards if you want to go out and have fun. I know what it's like. Yes, this music is fun to dance to and everyone has relaxed standards when they're intoxicated on a dancefloor and surrounded by happy people. But if this music is fun to dance to, imagine how much fun genuinely great music is in the same context. |
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| TranceElevation |
This remix is simply horrendous in its banality.
As someone else mentioned, it lacks depth, drive and emotion. Key elements for a track that made the story of trance music. (no, I don't pretend a copy, but this one ain't even original)
When you touch something with the status of "Age Of Love" you should be prepared for critics.
And about rebel9: he is direct and able to recognize something good regardless of when a track been made. |
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