also, may i recommend this blog http://dereksdaily45.blogspot.com/
this guy hunts down rare and not rare funk, soul, rhythm & blues and also some garage rock from the 50's-70's or whatever. proper crate digger
nefardec
cool, thanks for that.
i have to say i never much got into 45s. i've got a slew of em but the sound quality is just never there, and it seems indulgent some times. i've always been more about the sound than the collecting.
i know im missing out on some good jams though.
Zyklon_Jay
i find the comment on the sound quality not being there funny coming from you, because of your previous comments about liking things raw. Some of those older recordings don't get any rawer than that.
sg_57
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Originally posted by Zyklon_Jay the best time for funk, until disco came along.
This will need to be discussed.
In the meantime, we sometimes forget how much Funk has influenced Rock and other genres.
(no, please we can do without any mentions of Wild Cherry)
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And yes, of course about the 7"... this will be a whole adventure onto itself, already heavily charted in a bazillion compilations -each more obscure than the next- such as these below and many more:
sg_57
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Originally posted by Zyklon_Jay
i find the comment on the sound quality not being there funny coming from you, because of your previous comments about liking things raw. Some of those older recordings don't get any rawer than that.
Agreed. Also many times the mastering on the 45's was louder than the LP cut and possibly crisper (depending on the mastering engineer).
It's just that often times those were not kept in as good a condition by their owners.
It's always been that certain cuts did have a lot of character on 7"
Zyklon_Jay
My understanding of it from a guy i talked to that has a record press is that because of the record being smaller the weight of the impression must be set differently. Back in the day this was not always done. Not to mention there was always the rush to get the product into the jukeboxes of the days, because other than radio, jukeboxes were the best way to promote these things....to be honest it sounds a lot like an mp3 label:p
Zyklon_Jay
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Originally posted by sg_57
This will need to be discussed.
In the meantime, we sometimes forget how much Funk has influenced Rock and other genres.
Funk is a bi product of the Blues, as is Rock and Roll. I would say the Blues is the architecture, and Funk is just a different interpretation in style (regional factors, social economic factors and so on and so on...)
sg_57
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Originally posted by Zyklon_Jay
My understanding of it from a guy i talked to that has a record press is that because of the record being smaller the weight of the impression must be set differently. Back in the day this was not always done. Not to mention there was always the rush to get the product into the jukeboxes of the days, because other than radio, jukeboxes were the best way to promote these things....to be honest it sounds a lot like an mp3 label:p
Here's the technical side of it:
- the closer to the center it gets, the more distortion and also a fairly noticeable loss of high end frequencies. (mastering engineers used to compensate for this by adding 'radius EQ' when it got closer to the center) So here the LP wins, because its outermost part is least susceptible to these problems.
- the 7" was cut at a faster speed, which did arguably give it better fidelity, and many times could be mastered louder than the LP, and more importantly with more bass because the groove could be a bit fatter than a typical LP groove that clocked at 21 minutes. So with this, the 7" wins.
Bit of a tradeoff really...
The issues may really have been more about the quality of vinyl used, they were reserving the better stuff for LPs and the jukebox 7" runs would many times probably get pressed on lower-grade stuff, that included a certain percentage of 're-grind' (recycled vinyl from discarded manufacturing leftovers).
And the fact that 7" mastering was not supervised by the same high-priced engineers who were cutting the LP, except on superstar product who could afford it. So sometimes not so much attention was paid to making sure. But with this sort of thing it really depends.
The raw sound of certain 7" records is truly legendary.
nefardec
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Originally posted by Zyklon_Jay
i find the comment on the sound quality not being there funny coming from you, because of your previous comments about liking things raw. Some of those older recordings don't get any rawer than that.
huh? raw (as i use it) doesn't mean "sounds like ", it means it doesn't rely on efx, trends, and production magic to overcompensate for lack of inherent musicality.
think david mancuso, klipschorns, and babatunde olatunji. that's my kind of raw
but about 45s - yeah i think most what i react to comes from overplay and poor archiving.
that said i do dig them, and i have a ton of awesome sounding 45s, but i've just never been super into it.
crossovers allowed?
Zyklon_Jay
another cool thing about 7 inches is that there are a ton of novelty ones released in the 50's with nothing but sound effects and speech...pretty7 cool stuff for guys making sample based music imo. A little chopping, filtering, and eq...and you can have something way more original than that stab of "oh yeah" being used in almost every house track right now.:p
nefardec
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Originally posted by Zyklon_Jay
another cool thing about 7 inches is that there are a ton of novelty ones released in the 50's with nothing but sound effects and speech...pretty7 cool stuff for guys making sample based music imo. A little chopping, filtering, and eq...and you can have something way more original than that stab of "oh yeah" being used in almost every house track right now.:p
kon & amir mentioned that once on one of their videos that they try to get the 45's or single 12"'s when they are looking for records for playing out since a lot of them, indeed had a louder cut. but i didn't link to that blog because to shift focus to talking about 45's, it's just that guy is a proper cratedigger & musicnerd and likes to put people on to stuff that hasn't been given that much attention.
