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i'm not lame...but the scene sucks now,no? (pg. 2)
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| ChemEnhanced |
| Some places still have a really good vibe about them but I've found the party vibe at places like Guv and CZ have changed and not for the good. Now that these places have become more popular the "I love to party" vibe has been changed to "I wanna get ed up" vibe. |
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| PivotTechno |
| Well, that's part and parcel of what killed Toronto's rave scene, non? Anything that gets too big without proper checks and balances will eventually implode on itself in one way or another. |
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| LKD |
it's amazing how much people bitch about the scene being generic (in terms of music) yet either:
a) still support that genre and help pack such events
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b) don't support all the other genres that our city DOES have
you can find all genres in our city, it just depends if you are willing to or not.
Yes, times have changed but there's still plenty of good in the scene here....not all of it has become an industry but to better it, you pick what you want to support rather than just going to 'that party everyone else seems to be going to' |
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| E2EK1EL |
| quote: | Originally posted by VDub
Matt...agreed ...
John... Agreed...
And you actually have vid!?!?!
I'd kill for some footage of the early '00 s at Guv... |
I found it on YouTube last year, had a minor heart attack. |
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| PivotTechno |
| quote: | Originally posted by LKD
it's amazing how much people bitch about the scene being generic (in terms of music) yet either:
a) still support that genre and help pack such events
or
b) don't support all the other genres that our city DOES have
you can find all genres in our city, it just depends if you are willing to or not.
Yes, times have changed but there's still plenty of good in the scene here....not all of it has become an industry but to better it, you pick what you want to support rather than just going to 'that party everyone else seems to be going to' |
I'm guessing a lot of that has to do with, and for whatever reason, an unwillingness to explore.
In the early 90s (I was in my early 20s and still glued to the alternative scene at the time), I recall coming out of whatever club we happened to be at that night and deciding that we were going to look for another place in which to carry on. I'm pretty sure what we stumbled upon 318 Richmond, where the infamous 23 Hop used to be (look it up if you aren't familiar), but we never even made it to the door. Something in me told me the doormen were taking the piss when they smiled and informed us it was a gay underwear party, but my naïve, early-20s self couldn't bring myself to part with ten bucks to confirm whether or not what they were telling me was true. As a result, I didn't get full-on into the rave scene until well after its earliest and freshest days. Live and learn!
There's comfort in numbers and for the better part people tend to gravitate toward safety. You aren't going to have much luck convincing that crowd that your 80-capacity one-off at some random bar is a better bet than their tried-and-true venue of choice, regardless of the genre you're playing. |
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| VDub |
| quote: | Originally posted by PivotTechno
You mean music produced by actual musicians?
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YES!!!!
This is what I've been saying for years...
It's so easy to buy a Mac and some software, put a few plug-ins together and he thinks he's a producer...
The artistry is gone... |
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| E2EK1EL |
| I couldn't sleep last night ... kept thinking of 1999 and all the parties & memories. |
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| Swamper |
Things are very different now and I was fortunate to get drawn into the scene in late 1998... I knew it was something special, even at the time, so I went to more events than I can remember...but I still have all the flyers from them and tons of pictures.
It was a different era then and now we're faced with familiarity breeding contempt. Part of what was magical (yes, magical) about the 'rave' days was the unpredictable nature of how a night would unfold -- who would you meet? what crazy track would you hear that you'd go to a record shop to help get ID'd? would the sound/lighting be up to par? would the venue have running water? (lol) -- etc.
Then, as the rave scene moved away from random rented out venues to nightclubs what we gained in 'professionalism/safety' we lost in spontaneity/creativity - both in terms of production and the overall vibe of the crowd and the effort they put into being 'present' at the event (dressing up/tearing up the dancefloor vs bottle service/using-my-bberry-all-night-for-my-new-omg-look-at-me-facebook-profile-pic).
The Vinyl->mp3/laptop transition also has been a factor with things since now DJs have access to all the music they want at any gig rather than having to make do with whatever they brought with them in their record crate/bag.
So, YOU (not the OP, but 'old schoolers' in general) have the choice of either becoming a bitter/jaded drone ranting about how things were so much better then OR adapting to it and/or trying partying in other locales that are still fresh to you |
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| hardcore trancer |
Taken from J00F's blog today:
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Being in this game for a long time, I've seen huge changes in the music industry. In fact the world seems to be run by big corporation companies these days. Most shopping malls look the same, having the usual big chain stores inside. Most towns and cities have a McDonalds, Starbucks and usual supermarket chains. Slowly the independents are getting pushed out the picture. It's no different in the music industry. We're being run by a handful of major labels (that use sub labels to hide their dominance). The independent labels don't really stand a chance in the new corporate world. There once was a day when independent labels would sign a band, tour them around the country in dirty bars, pubs and clubs and build them into something special and turning them into a chart success. The key to this was an outlet of independent record shops where specialist fans would discover new music and bands and support them. Unfortunately this community network no longer exists. The people who worked in these stores
Where true music lovers. Geeks passionate about music. I miss these days of turning to these people for advice when finding music.
We now live in a World where people want instant gratification, so download stores saw an end to physical shops. The same instant gratification saw the rise to the X-Factor/pop idol culture. We see 'normal' people from the street in a TV competition and instantly want to see them turned into pop stars. The same applies in our specialist dance music World, people are making tracks to become instantly famous so they can tour the World as a DJ. The music cluttered in download shops is testament to this. It's impossible for a band on an independent label to make it into the top 40 charts these days. That chart is run by the handful of major labels and the infrastructure they control. The same can be
said about the handful of labels that dominate dance music scene.
It's easy to say that digital downloading killed our specialist records shops. But we lost a lot more than that. We lost our local communities, our outlet of information about up and coming artists, bands or DJ's. Importantly we lost those passionate kids that worked in those stores. Instead we get force fed information from corporate companies telling us what we should be listening too and the inflated electronic hype that comes with it.
Let's hope the same technology that took away our specialist communities can help us survive. It's never been about competing with the corporate companies, it's about having a support network.
That's the difference with passionate music lovers, they are always there to help, and it’s never about being competitive. The trophy holders can keep their awards. To us this means nothing. I want that family community back with likewise people to share my passion with. |
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| srussell0018 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Big Boss
People like to complain...ah the drugs were better (You just had a lower tolerance) |
I don't know why people still haven't figured this out. I rolled for the first time 5 years ago and the quality hasn't changed at all. I'd imagine it didn't change much before then either. Maybe the reason that you say the drugs suck now is because you lost all your serotonin back in the "golden" years. Yes, 5-HTP helps, but E does permanent damage to your body's ability to produce, and re-uptake serotonin. So no, the drugs don't suck, your brain does. |
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| E2EK1EL |
| quote: | Originally posted by hardcore trancer
Taken from J00F's blog today: |
JOOF will always be loved, great article. |
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| VDub |
There were a few years ,Del, when the clubs hadn't adopted that corporate attitude...
I wasn't active in the rave heydays but Guv was definitely as close to them as you could get in the same building every week...
The whole scene back then, even in operating clubs, was still pretty "underground"...
And Joof's statement is so sad but true...
I wonder where all of the "producing" TAs are to comment.. |
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