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| Looney4Clooney |
| they aren't named differently.I mean germans use H for B but that is about it. And music theory is german in origin. French people use Do re mi fa sol la si do but its all the same. Just different symbols. |
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| 112268 |
i call them 0 2 4 5 7 9 11 and then 0 again lol (0 being C). caus thats what they are. all my tracks starts out in C minor (0,3,7) and if i want something else i just transpose instead of wonder what ing keys to press. i know how to play literally everything out from C minor without knowing notes or anything. Why make things worse than it is. Its just frequencies, i bet it made more sence if wed put up the actual frequences, and would see how 500Hz and 750 Hz will sync pretty good (harmony).
its the same as temperature. what a misunderstood concept. to say that 100degrees is hot is just plain stupid. nothing is 100 degrees, its just what the termometer shows in some calibrated way. around it is just radiation and inside it is inner energy ie movement. which is a result of pressure again. no wonder humans cant evolve.
edit: you know why C and G sounds soo good together? because C(4) is 261,63Hz and G(4) is 392Hz, and if u divide them (392/261,63) you will get 1,5 which means G is 50% higher than C, which again means they will sync every second cycle of C (two wavelength of C will be three wavelength of G). This would look great in a spectroscop, and therefore also sound great. There you got it, my scientific ass just dissected the magic which is music.
edit2: you will recieve the same sync with using D and A. 440.00/293.66 = 1,5. Its no magic what fits. If you want to I can calculate for you why most people seems to like minor instead of major too. Its beacuse they are synced by less waves than a major chord. |
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| Looney4Clooney |
i'm gonna go out on a limb here and assume you kinda suck at harmony. Your system just isn't practical. How do you account for inversions. how do you account for enharmonic reinterpretation.
approaching it from a science perspective ie frequencies isn't really a practical way either as tones that don't go well together are used all the time. It is that spectrum of dissonance and consonance that make music interesting. |
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| 112268 |
see my edit above.
its all about syncing frequencies. nothing more. piano is the closest instrument to do this, therefore its the best suited instrument for writing music. you are right though i do not know anything about harmony in terms of musical training but i have a damn good ear and know when somethings out of place. |
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| Looney4Clooney |
it isn't about syncing frequencies. Explain how V goes to I using your theory. And since I going to IV is the same movement, why does one require a resolution yet the other one doesn't if they are the exact same chord movement ?
And you are only using the root frequency. For every chord there are the root of the actual notes in the chord + all the over tones present. You are grossly over simplifying it. |
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| Rodri Santos |
| quote: | Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
they aren't named differently.I mean germans use H for B but that is about it. And music theory is german in origin. French people use Do re mi fa sol la si do but its all the same. Just different symbols. |
Yes we use Do re mi fa sol la si do , but when i hear "do" , on my mind appears the 1st root note on the keyboard "C" i know is stupid but i can't tell you if a chord involving C D F sounds ok or not if i don't see it in the piano. |
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| Looney4Clooney |
| so learn both systems. Would take you a day. |
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| 112268 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
it isn't about syncing frequencies. Explain how V goes to I using your theory. And since I going to IV is the same movement, why does one require a resolution yet the other one doesn't if they are the exact same chord movement ?
And you are only using the root frequency. For every chord there are the root of the actual notes in the chord + all the over tones present. You are grossly over simplifying it. |
overtones are sound spesific and not part of writing music on the sheet as far as i see it, but i really dont know. the ear is complex so we can dissect overtones by itself but really, its no magic why it sounds good.
I dont know what V, I and IV is, if you could find a youtube example of it I could dissect it my way. :p
I understand its not easy using freqs as of today, but in like 500 years we might have evolved from this retarded practice.
im not only implying this is for roots, a whole chord works in my theory. I could calculate why C minor is preferred compared to C major. What I cant calculate though is why is percieved as sad, maybe thats where the magic lies. |
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| Looney4Clooney |
you shouldn't call something you don't understand retarded. It served its purpose. Your system might seem logical but it really is rather cumbersome.
Lets say G major going to I (cmajor) in the key of C+ . That would sound like then end of a phrase
Yet if you go from G major to C major in the key of G+ , then you don't get the same finishing quality yet the chords and movement are identical. Your system could not explain this in a fast manner. This is why your system doesn;t really work. You put too much importance on what isn't really important and in the process you kinda loose the whole point.
And you can't calculate why C minor is prefered to C major considering minor keys can be explained in terms of their relative major.
I think you really need to learn a little more before creating your own systems that are kinda rubbish. |
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| 112268 |
| i do understand it, i just dont remember what i learned 15 years ago because i didnt find it logical as you say (to split up a keyboard octave to 11 keys just doesnt compute imo - it should be devided like bits like 16 or something). but using freq-math could help people like me put together nice easy chords without knowing any music theory at all. im just saying there are more ways. |
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| Looney4Clooney |
| but that would just be another theory. music theory has only ever been a system of presentation. Your system just requires more energy, is very slow, and cumbersome and no trained musician in their right mind would ever consider using it. It also limits your usage to extremely basic chord vocabulary. You are just sabotaging your self. |
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| 112268 |
im not sure we are discussing the same things :D
im discussing chords as a stand alone, you are discussing chord progressions. to me chord progression is just about finding a new chord using atleast one key from the previous chord, preferable two. lol im simple like that.
edit: also im saying it because some might find it interesting that the third(dont know the term) is always 50% above the first(basenote) (considering a normal basic chord). |
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