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| Joss Weatherby |
| quote: | Originally posted by The17sss
Coulda woulda shoulda. Violently snuffed out? LOL! Dude it's called progress. Technology got better, cars started to be made at affordable costs (thanks to demand), and people started wanting the freedom of a car to add convenience to their lives. They didn't want to be beholden to some train schedule if they didn't have to anymore! And since then, there have been hundreds of millions of people all over the world- hell, BILLIONS, who have benefited from that automobile production. A hell of a lot more than have been "screwed over" (as you make it sound) by the loss of the electric commuter train. |
Yea, cause that worked out real well, now we are struggling to get commuter rail back because our highways are too over crowded and cars pollute horribly.
Cars are NOT a better technology, never have been. Rail is better in every possible way besides not going EXACTLY where you need it to, but thats what walking and commercial trucks are for, the last "mile". If you build your cities around rail, like we were doing up until overly cheap autos and horrible city planning (encouraged by car and oil companies to spread populations out, not make them more dense) ruined it for good.
Beholden to a schedule? Its called making your trains run all the time. If you can catch a train every 10 minutes, or like in Japan catch one every 3 minutes, even if you have to hop a train back a stop or two, then its not inconvenient at all.
I know its impossible to get it back here, unless there was a total reset of an area.
In someways I think the massive Cascadia subduction quake that will happen could be the best thing for our region. We will get to reset and do it right this time. |
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| Joss Weatherby |
As for unions, did you ever think that maybe if those people were provided the basic standards that they demand, like good, decent health care for them and their family, a wage to support them and their family, and certain benefits like a decent work week, or vacation, or even maternity/paternity leave then they wouldn't need a union?
They don't just form out of no where Kevin and start demanding impossible things, they form for a reason, and that is usually abuse by their employer.
You wonder why the Japanese car companies do so well here? Because they actually provide for their employees, OH, and produce a much better product at the same time. They didn't try and them at every other step to the point where management and labor were paranoid of each other and nothing could get done with out considerable effort. |
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| The17sss |
| quote: | Originally posted by Joss Weatherby
Yea, cause that worked out real well, now we are struggling to get commuter rail back because our highways are too over crowded and cars pollute horribly.
Cars are NOT a better technology, never have been. Rail is better in every possible way besides not going EXACTLY where you need it to, but thats what walking and commercial trucks are for, the last "mile". If you build your cities around rail, like we were doing up until overly cheap autos and horrible city planning (encouraged by car and oil companies to spread populations out, not make them more dense) ruined it for good.
Beholden to a schedule? Its called making your trains run all the time. If you can catch a train every 10 minutes, or like in Japan catch one every 3 minutes, even if you have to hop a train back a stop or two, then its not inconvenient at all. |
Let me re-phrase: cars are different technology, and another available choice for people- if there wasn't a preference for this mode of transportation, cars would be as common as hang gliders. There is nothing more convenient for most people than having the freedom to come and go at the time of their choosing. Cars are more than just a tool, they have become part of our identity... very symbolic. By your rationale, our society would be better if we were all crammed in to densely populated areas rather than have openness and land. The ideal life that you dream of is simply not "America" buddy. But you have many other places around the world where you can live as you seem to wish... so why not just pull up your stakes and move to one of those places if it would make you more happy?
| quote: | Originally posted by Joss Weatherby
As for unions, did you ever think that maybe if those people were provided the basic standards that they demand, like good, decent health care for them and their family, a wage to support them and their family, and certain benefits like a decent work week, or vacation, or even maternity/paternity leave then they wouldn't need a union?
They don't just form out of no where Kevin and start demanding impossible things, they form for a reason, and that is usually abuse by their employer. |
You do not seem to grasp the major difference between public and private sector unions. Do you understand? If you did, you would not make this comment because as of today, public sector unions enjoy a salary+benefit package that is DOUBLE the private sector average, and lifelong pensions and health benefits private sector workers can only dream of. Double. You are perpetuating a template that is based in the 1930's man. Don't give me this that union members are the downtrodden.
| quote: | | You wonder why the Japanese car companies do so well here? Because they actually provide for their employees, OH, and produce a much better product at the same time. They didn't try and them at every other step to the point where management and labor were paranoid of each other and nothing could get done with out considerable effort. |
Hey smart guy... GM employees make an average of $57 per hour, Toyota $51 per hour. Do you really want to know why Honda and Toyota (and BMW for that matter too) do so well in this country (and produce a better product? Because their manufacturing bases are in Alabama, South Carolina, and other states that are virtually 100% non-union!! Man I'm not trying to be a dick, but you gotta stop this... you're so wrong on so many levels and don't even realize it. You're just parroting nonsensical things you hear and believe that aren't true. Just stop. |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
Perhaps you’d like to give us a run down of the GFC, its causes, resolutions and how the US was able to stave off disaster? I’d really like to learn something from you and your unique perspective that’s outside the cone of sugar frosted bull. |
Tick tock tick tock tick tock…
Yeah, that’s what I thought, faggot. |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by The17sss
You do not seem to grasp the major difference between public and private sector unions. Do you understand? If you did, you would not make this comment because as of today, public sector unions enjoy a salary+benefit package that is DOUBLE the private sector average, and lifelong pensions and health benefits private sector workers can only dream of. Double. |
I agree that governments are far more willing to provide benefits as they’re not a business and it’s not their money, but there is another issue here, namely the fact that private enterprise comprises of a bunch of cheap jew bastards who are unwilling to improve conditions, even if they can afford it. So yes, governments are too eager to improve conditions but business can be too reluctant. |
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| Joss Weatherby |
| quote: | Originally posted by The17sss
You do not seem to grasp the major difference between public and private sector unions. Do you understand? If you did, you would not make this comment because as of today, public sector unions enjoy a salary+benefit package that is DOUBLE the private sector average, and lifelong pensions and health benefits private sector workers can only dream of. Double. You are perpetuating a template that is based in the 1930's man. Don't give me this that union members are the downtrodden. |
Maybe people should be mad that people in the private sector make half of what people in the public sector make?
You are lucky that this country has an attitude of bringing down others rather than raising themselves to be better. |
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| The17sss |
| quote: | Originally posted by Joss Weatherby
Maybe people should be mad that people in the private sector make half of what people in the public sector make?
You are lucky that this country has an attitude of bringing down others rather than raising themselves to be better. |
My god. You are so misguided. Do you know why private sector employees and private sector union members make what they make? Because the companies that pay them will cease to exist if they are forced to produce unsustainable pay packages. This does not apply to government workers because they get paid from John Q. Taxpayer. We would be a lot better off at the municipal and state level if the same applied to public sector unions, don't you get that? Wake the F up man! You're living in fantasy land! |
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| Joss Weatherby |
| quote: | Originally posted by The17sss
My god. You are so misguided. Do you know why private sector employees and private sector union members make what they make? Because the companies that pay them will cease to exist if they are forced to produce unsustainable pay packages. This does not apply to government workers because they get paid from John Q. Taxpayer. We would be a lot better off at the municipal and state level if the same applied to public sector unions, don't you get that? Wake the F up man! You're living in fantasy land! |
I am happy to pay people doing civil service work. I vote for every tax increase that comes across the ballot.
Maybe if companies didn't have to pay for health care then they'd be able to pay their employees more? Maybe if companies figured out a way to increase their wages their employees would spend more money at other businesses, in turn raising the wages across the board.
Face it Kevin, the economy in this country is ed and has been for a while. |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by The17sss
My god. You are so misguided. Do you know why private sector employees and private sector union members make what they make? Because the companies that pay them will cease to exist if they are forced to produce unsustainable pay packages. This does not apply to government workers because they get paid from John Q. Taxpayer. We would be a lot better off at the municipal and state level if the same applied to public sector unions, don't you get that? Wake the F up man! You're living in fantasy land! |
I’d like to thank all you hard-working citizens for paying taxes so I could have my two pay rises in the last 6 months. Your sacrifices do not go unnoticed! |
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| The17sss |
| quote: | Originally posted by Joss Weatherby
I am happy to pay people doing civil service work. I vote for every tax increase that comes across the ballot.
Maybe if companies didn't have to pay for health care then they'd be able to pay their employees more? Maybe if companies figured out a way to increase their wages their employees would spend more money at other businesses, in turn raising the wages across the board.
Face it Kevin, the economy in this country is ed and has been for a while. |
I have no illusions over how ed our economy is Nou. And please, stop theorizing on the best way to run a company. You know nothing about it, and make it all seem so black and white; "all you gotta do is do this, and things will work, and everyone will be happy!" You sound like a budding politician actually, having all the answers with no expertise. |
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| The17sss |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
I’d like to thank all you hard-working citizens for paying taxes so I could have my two pay rises in the last 6 months. Your sacrifices do not go unnoticed! |
I still love you PKC. :p |
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| Joss Weatherby |
| quote: | Originally posted by The17sss
I have no illusions over how ed our economy is Nou. And please, stop theorizing on the best way to run a company. You know nothing about it, and make it all seem so black and white; "all you gotta do is do this, and things will work, and everyone will be happy!" You sound like a budding politician actually, having all the answers with no expertise. |
I wasn't theorizing on how to best run a company. I was saying that maybe our goals in this country are not where they should be, especially within most businesses. |
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