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| Raphie |
MULTIBAND implies the usage of multiple bands, thus cutting up the signal, come on M4B, you can do better than that......
| quote: | Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
but again, even if that is what you meant, guess how people used to do multiband sidechain ? tadum. People do it and these people can safely call themselves engineers and not have half the room snicker. I don't look for opportunities, you just talk alot of nonsense about things you don't really know about. I wouldn't be so skeptical if your product showed otherwise but you don't talk the talk, certainly don't walk the walk and me, I guess I just like to call you on your . The sad part is that I haven't mixed a thing in about 6 years. I would not call myself an engineer let alone a mastering engineer even with the amateur/hobbyist superlative added and this all seems to be common knowledge to me. The kinda stuff you would find in like those mix magazines.
And i'm not angry. Just correction your mistakes. You should be thankful, I do apologize if my interjections on simple matters seem to make you look rather incompetent which might affect your mastering business. That isn't my intention or care. |
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| Looney4Clooney |
lol yup and guess what. Just like a NY compression with a regular compressor, you can do it with many compressors affecting many bands in effect creating a parallel multiband compressor which can then be easily side chained which is what he described. That vengeance plugin you seem to revere so much for some reason implements this feature. I wonder why ? And guess how people did it before those plugins ? Guess how most people still do it ?
you are rather clueless on some rather common techniques. |
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| Raphie |
M4B in order to process multiple bands in isolation, you need to isolate them first (unless you have a multiband compressor who does the chopping up for you like Vengeance MBC) that's my whole point. You're wrong, you can not multiband process with 3x an identical full range signal without isolating the desired frequencies first.
That was my initial point, which i've now explained to you for the 3rd time. |
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| Looney4Clooney |
which is why he had an EQ for each compressor for each parellel route. The signal being sent might be the full band but the EQ will in essence parse your bands which will then be compressed.
This is a technique used decades ago on countless albums. It is how multi band compression was done before the actual tool existed and it is still used to this day. |
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| Raphie |
not so common to send and merge 3 full band signals, it takes away all distinction. it's more common to i.e. triplecopy a channel
give each channel it's own band and process them individually before merging them back together. that process is called multiband (as you as creating multiple bands) but this has nothing to do with parallel compression.
parallel refers to AUX SEND connection, rather than INSERT connection, from a physical mixer perspective, so you have WET/DRY control between processed and unprocessed signal
Stacking compressors on top of eachother, each processing a part of the same signal in parallel, is refered to as Multiband compression
Ofcouse you can technically do that with full bands as well, with either different compressor settings, or different EQ settings (or both) in order to stimulate processor response, though my opinion is that that is by far not as effective as multiband. |
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| Looney4Clooney |
you aren't grasping the technique.
Stacking compressors will affect the same band as it is done in a serial manner thus impossible to mimic a modern day mbc. This is why you need a way to split the bands and this is why they used the sends on the mixer. You send the full signal to 3 busses, on each buss you eq what you want compressed.
It isn't really that hard to understand.
The point is that it is used very often and you are wrong. It has a purpose and to say such a common tool used on countless albums stupid makes you look like an idiot. It is also how they do any sort of multiband FX like distortion. It is pretty much one of the most used techniques until plugins started doing the thing itself but alot of studios are not using plugins and this is why they do it. |
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| Raphie |
No M4B, don't make this suddenly and overall FX discussion, that's not what this is about. We were talking different compression settings in parallel over the same full spectrum. adressing this as 1 single full band, is not as common as multiple bands.
Remember we were talking compression, not distortion or other fx. |
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| Looney4Clooney |
| it doesn't matter what effect you are using, the point is that by using aux sends, you are sending 3 versions of the same signal which then was clearly being sent thru individual EQ's. The result is what you call multi-band processing. The only mistake the guy made was having the compression before the EQ but as if you even noticed that. For sakes. |
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| Raphie |
| all cleared up then:D |
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| Kysora |
| Well, this used to be a good thread. Good show guys. |
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| DJ Robby Rox |
If Ralphie is the idiot then what do you call the genius who persistently chases the idiot in a desperate ploy to make a point that means nothing?
Ralphie next time just compliment his starved ego over and over and he'll get lost in thoughts of how awesome he is and forget what he was even doing. |
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| Kysora |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox
Lastly, if Ralpie is the idiot. Then what do you call the moron that persistently chases the idiot? Over and over when that idiot at least has the common sense and maturity to wanna avoid you? |
What do you call someone who persistently chases the moron who chases the idiot then?
Just kidding, I love you, but seriously shut up. All of you. |
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