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| DJ Robby Rox |
| Bro check your n pms you slutbag. I pmd you like 10 years ago. |
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| Kysora |
| Didn't I respond to that? I thought I did. Send me a loopable mixed wav and I'll work with it as soon as you do |
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| Looney4Clooney |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox
If Ralphie is the idiot then what do you call the genius who persistently chases the idiot in a desperate ploy to make a point that means nothing?
Ralphie next time just compliment his starved ego over and over and he'll get lost in thoughts of how awesome he is and forget what he was even doing. |
so you would rather be misinformed ? I'm not the one making it an issue. I corrected him, he wigged out. |
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| DJ RANN |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox
If Ralphie is the idiot then what do you call the genius who persistently chases the idiot in a desperate ploy to make a point that means nothing?
Ralphie next time just compliment his starved ego over and over and he'll get lost in thoughts of how awesome he is and forget what he was even doing. |
These two were doing fine in their little handbag fight without you chucking your knickers in to the ring :p
Actually this thread hasn't gone all wrong. Parallel compression (or NY compression) and the further discussion of multiband parallel compression within that is "on topic", the latter of which has only probably been discussed only a couple of times in the last few years.
it's actually quite useful when you want that multiband compression sound, but just want a flavour of it to add a little punch to each frequency group. It's an exercise in subtlety which is why most people forget about it or pass it by. |
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| kitphillips |
| quote: | Originally posted by Raphie
I think that parallel compression, as in splitting signal and run it through multiple processors in parallel, is really useless full stop....
think about it, splitting your full range signal in 3, processing 3 different parallel full range streams and merge them back together.
If you would divide up the frequencies, in 3 zones and process them induvidually that would make sense, but we call that multiband compression, not parallel compression. ;)
i find value in parallel compression as in blending original signal with compressed signal, to FX while preserving dynamics, or work M/S in order to work mono harder than side signal.
But above example just has no value at all in my opinion
just like doubling identical kicks, just use EQ..... |
Oh dear... You've missed the point again.
| quote: | | i find value in parallel compression as in blending original signal with compressed signal, to FX while preserving dynamics, or work M/S in order to work mono harder than side signal. |
THIS is parallel compression. THe other stuff you were talking about is multiband. But M4B's point is that those multiband effects can be implemented using sends and filters. Its EXACTLY the same as using a dedicated MB compressor.
Incidentally, I'd warn M4B and anyone else who wants to use MBC in this way, that you should probably be using linear phase filters to filter the signal. Also, you should pay attention to whether you want to filter before or after the compressor, because that affects which frequencies the compressor is responding to.
| quote: | Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
there is a reason people do it Raphie. You can slam the drums and really bring out the transients while not loosing the overall beefiness of the group you are compressing or vice versa using compression to squash the drums killing any transients but bringing them back with the original source. Mixing 101. Every engineer does it and I would be hard pressed to find a modern album that is mixed well that doesn't. It is really hard for me to not lambast you on your incredible lack of knowledge when you speak with such authority.
the concept really can and should be used with any parameter when you want a certain effect but you don't want to loose the overall character of the source. The concept is probably invaluable with dance where you have lots of elements that will need dynamic control.
And in reply to your pm , this is why I sometimes tend to be on your case. Case in point, you hide under the veil of a mastering engineer which under normal circumstances would assume you know how to mix but you clearly lack some rather simple concepts and I would purport that your mixing is quite horrid. Combine this with the fact that you deny no opportunity to show your studio and your lovely toys you don't really know how to use makes you a tempting target. Not to mention I have a suspicion that you are polish or a pole sympathizer. You like poles I guess is the take home point. If it were printed in bullet form, it would say bullet Raphie likes big poles.
No advice is better than bad advice. Let the music do the talking or something. As long as you stop spreading misinformation i will be happy. |
That's why I arced up at him in the other thread. If you keep pointing out how he's wrong he'll just start insulting your music though, so not sure I'd bother.:eyespop: |
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| Raphie |
| quote: | Originally posted by kitphillips
Oh dear... You've missed the point again. |
no you missed the point, i perfectly epxlained both NY & Multiband compression, you just need to read a bit slower before jumping the gun.....
| quote: | Originally posted by kitphillips
THIS is parallel compression. THe other stuff you were talking about is multiband. But M4B's point is that those multiband effects can be implemented using sends and filters. Its EXACTLY the same as using a dedicated MB compressor. |
that is EXACTLY what i am saying all the time, the only point i am adding is that 3 full bands make no sense...... you need to chop them up. again, read better
| quote: | Originally posted by kitphillips
Incidentally, I'd warn M4B and anyone else who wants to use MBC in this way, that you should probably be using linear phase filters to filter the signal. Also, you should pay attention to whether you want to filter before or after the compressor, because that affects which frequencies the compressor is responding to. . |
Not sure how MBC comes into this discussion, besides it being a multiband compressor.
| quote: | Originally posted by kitphillips
That's why I arced up at him in the other thread. If you keep pointing out how he's wrong he'll just start insulting your music though, so not sure I'd bother.:eyespop: |
Please Kit, go bore someone else, please....
Regarding compression techniques everything has been explained extensively. |
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| kitphillips |
Well no one's mentioned that for creating a multiband using sends you
need linear phase filters so I'd say it hasn't.
I don't know what point you were making but it was obviously as opaque to M4B as me. Maybe you should just be a bit clearer. |
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| Raphie |
Huh, lost u here, the only guy ever taking the words linear phase in his mouth here on this forum is you? with MBC just to be clear do u mean in this generic Multiband compression? (as a technique) or Vengeange MBC? (as the plugin)
| quote: | Originally posted by kitphillips
Well no one's mentioned that for creating a multiband using sends you
need linear phase filters so I'd say it hasn't.
I don't know what point you were making but it was obviously as opaque to M4B as me. Maybe you should just be a bit clearer. |
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| Senator Clay Davis |
| oh lol these compression threads never stops. what the is so difficult for people to understand with this? its common sense. parallel is split signals into for example compressors or equalizers or both or anything else (like distortion and/or reverb). serial is, yes you guessed it compressors in series (usually pointless). when you split the signal (parallel) into equalizers and start isolating parts of the frequencies you can call it multiband. when you then compress these bands, its pretty easy to understand that its called multiband compression. you could call it parallel multiband compression but thats butter on flesh to say. when theres multiband going on the signal have to be split ie parallel. this means that multiband compression IS A KIND of parallel compression but parallel compression doesnt necessarily have to be mutliband. dry/wet knobs is parallel signals. you can use parallel/split on everything, i use it alot on distortion (one signal with and one without - makes it presence without loosing warmth). it really isnt that of a mystery, but i guess if you failed physics in elementary school it could be hard. im not talking to anyone spesific, just the mobb. and as mobbs most they are braindead. |
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| DJ RANN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Senator Clay Davis
oh lol these compression threads never stops. what the is so difficult for people to understand with this? its common sense. parallel is split signals into for example compressors or equalizers or both or anything else (like distortion and/or reverb). serial is, yes you guessed it compressors in series (usually pointless). when you split the signal (parallel) into equalizers and start isolating parts of the frequencies you can call it multiband. when you then compress these bands, its pretty easy to understand that its called multiband compression. you could call it parallel multiband compression but thats butter on flesh to say. when theres multiband going on the signal have to be split ie parallel. this means that multiband compression IS A KIND of parallel compression but parallel compression doesnt necessarily have to be mutliband. dry/wet knobs is parallel signals. you can use parallel/split on everything, i use it alot on distortion (one signal with and one without - makes it presence without loosing warmth). it really isnt that of a mystery, but i guess if you failed physics in elementary school it could be hard. im not talking to anyone spesific, just the mobb. and as mobbs most they are braindead. |
This is actually quite a great post.
And when they did Senator Clay Davis get unbanned?
Christ Palm, I can't keep up. |
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| Senator Clay Davis |
| i begged for everyday in three weeks. in the end it wasnt worth it for the mods to keep me away. haha. im not changing anymore now though, this is me, all the alts are gone. i learned my lesson (dont get drunk in the cor). |
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| DJ RANN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Senator Clay Davis
i begged for everyday in three weeks. in the end it wasnt worth it for the mods to keep me away. haha. im not changing anymore now though, this is me, all the alts are gone. i learned my lesson (dont get drunk in the cor). |
But hang on, that's the original Palm identity (2003) which means you should really be palm again, as senator clay is a alt :p |
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