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| Halcyon+On+On |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jackson
But the fact is he did it, even though he knew the consequences. |
No he didn't - he was just warned that there would be consequences. I'm sure that if they'd mentioned that innocent people would be killed during a protest, he wouldn't have had his little ceremony - not to mention there might have been a far more significant military presence at this UN Compound. Nobody knew this was exactly what would happen. You could have certainly guessed what might happen... but wouldn't that be admitting Pastor Jones was completely right? |
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| srussell0018 |
| quote: | Originally posted by EddieZilker
Where-as an American not defacing a Qur'an in any way will also justify wanton slaughter. |
Well that's the whole point. There's no way to justify wanton slaughter, but they seem to be quite adept at finding ways to "justify" it in their eyes. |
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| The17sss |
This sums it up for me:
| quote: | Should Jones have burned the Koran? No. But not because doing so might incite some evil people halfway around the world to commit atrocities against innocents. Rather, he shouldn’t have done it was needlessly hurtful without adding any value to the debate. Indeed, aside from generating publicity for himself, he’s likely generated sympathy for Islam and disdain for churches of his ilk.
But Jones is not the slightest bit culpable for the actions of others. Yes, he was warned that violence might ensue. But we’re not responsible for the evil, illegal actions others might take in response to our freely expressing our thoughts. Even if they’re ill-informed, half baked, bigoted thoughts. If we allow the possible reaction of the most dogmatic, evil people who might hear the message to govern our expression, we don’t have freedom at all. It’s worse than a heckler’s veto; it’s a murderer’s veto. |
-James Joyner |
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| Jackson |
| quote: | Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On
No he didn't - he was just warned that there would be consequences. I'm sure that if they'd mentioned that innocent people would be killed during a protest, he wouldn't have had his little ceremony - not to mention there might have been a far more significant military presence at this UN Compound. Nobody knew this was exactly what would happen. You could have certainly guessed what might happen... but wouldn't that be admitting Pastor Jones was completely right? |
In the UK it was reported that many innocent lives would be put at risk if he went ahead with his protest...and I believe they (the British Media) were paraphrasing what Obama said when he addressed the issue. |
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| shaw |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jackson
But the fact is he did it, even though he knew the consequences. |
Attaching a warning to despicable, illegal actions doesn't change them at all, nor does it redirect blame from the ones carrying out the acts. I can warn my neighbor that if he buys an ugly, foul-smelling dog, I will shoot him and shoot the dog. That warning does not lessen my offense at all, nor does it make any blame attributable to either of them. |
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| srussell0018 |
| quote: | Originally posted by shaw
Attaching a warning to despicable, illegal actions doesn't change them at all, nor does it redirect blame from the ones carrying out the acts. I can warn my neighbor that if his dog barks again, I will shoot him and shoot the dog. That warning does not lessen my offense at all, nor does it make any blame attributable to either of them. |
This.
These radical Muslims are behaving in a similar way to the Catholic church of hundreds of years ago. They see any non-Muslim as an enemy, and thus believe that murder is being justified through god or some other nonsense. |
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| Jackson |
| quote: | Originally posted by shaw
Attaching a warning to despicable, illegal actions doesn't change them at all, nor does it redirect blame from the ones carrying out the acts. |
:rolleyes:
When have I said that they are not to blame. They were trigger happy looking for an excuse, I get that. |
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| srussell0018 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jackson
He should be charged with their Murders...He's just scum, plain and simple. |
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| Jackson |
| quote: | Originally posted by srussell0018
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Does that mean that you thought I meant Pastor Jones should be charged with murder while the others are free to roam? |
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| srussell0018 |
| It doesn't matter if you think the actual murderers should be free to go or not. Saying that the pastor is in any way responsible for those murders is misguided to say the least. |
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| Spam |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jackson
Agreed that he didn't break any laws, but should some law be put in place to prevent this from happening again? |
No.
That's ing retarded. |
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| Spam |
| quote: | Originally posted by dj_alfi
Noone is saying they are without blame. ing shoot them in the head. They are clearly very violent, and has no place in society. But Reverend Lovejoy over there is not without blame either, and should be penalized in the same way as the murderers.
Spokespersons for Islam have repeatedly warned about burning the Qu'ran, and what the repercussions might be like. He still went ahead and burned the book.
He is responsible for the protests, and deserves punishment fitting to the damages he is responsible for. Both the material damages and to the Islam/Western relations. |
No, that's ing retarded too.
He is NOT responsible for the protests.
The retarded delusional religious zealots who went on a murderous rampage are 100% responsible, and no one else. |
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