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Professional Mixed CD Compilation - With Compressor OR Ducker? (pg. 2)
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| _dinamit_ |
| quote: | Originally posted by Stu Cox
Use whatever you like. There's nothing wrong with MixMeister.
Although mastering's a real case of "rubbish in, rubbish out", so if your levels are flying all over the place try improving your use of levels first:
If one track's louder in its main section than other tracks, turn its volume down
If you find the total level goes up during a mix (when 2 tracks are playing), try either:
- Bringing both of their levels down slightly for that part, or
- Reducing the bass of one or other as bass frequencies add together more dramatically than high frequencies
If you just use compression to level out a mix which is really varied in level, you'll just end up destroying the louder tracks, so get it as good as you can just using volumes and EQ first. |
thanks, usually thats what i'm doing but still it become to difficult to save the levels of both track in the mixes and i'm sure that the pros are useing with some voulme tools on the entire mix because everythins sounds too perfect for manually mixeing.
The Problem in MixMeister is that you dont have any option to do that witout exporting the whole project and that's sucks! |
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| Senator Clay Davis |
| i never had to "master" my djmixes when i was recording my sets. you are doing something wrong imo, just practice keeping the volume steady between the songs and below red on your mixer. lowering the headphones helped me getting better control over the volume (because the ear works like a compressor). if you your levels are going up during a transition you need to practice the use of eq too. not only the bass-eq, use them all. this is whats fun about mixing imo. not post editing. |
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| _dinamit_ |
| quote: | Originally posted by Senator Clay Davis
i never had to "master" my djmixes when i was recording my sets. you are doing something wrong imo, just practice keeping the volume steady between the songs and below red on your mixer. lowering the headphones helped me getting better control over the volume (because the ear works like a compressor). if you your levels are going up during a transition you need to practice the use of eq too. not only the bass-eq, use them all. this is whats fun about mixing imo. not post editing. |
thanks for the replay Senator Clay Davis, but still I know that armin doesnt creat his "A State Of Trance" CD Compilation naturelly
hi said that 2 years back in an interview.. just dont remember the name of the soft' maybe Abelton
again i know how to mix perfectlly and i'm sure the "big guys" (armin, Tiesto etc') are doing littlebit Mastering on the Volume
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| Senator Clay Davis |
| he does his radioshows on ableton yes. and probaly CDs too. he does not do it live i guess, so thats like drawing automation on the levels etc until its perfect. pointless imo, just record your mix live its alot more fun and it doesnt matter if its 5-10dB lower. just turn up the volume on your stereo/PA/monitors whatever you are using. |
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| Rodri Santos |
most artists i know mix their compilations with a mixer and 2 cdjs, actually adjusting the volume is something you do live, if you are mixing on a treated studio room with impressive monitors it's easy to tell if it sounds fine or not, probably they just mix the compilation 3-4 times and they pick the best mix, no wonder why but i can't get the same results with ableton than with cdjs, when you are mixing you react instantly "this hats of the outcoming track are louder than the incoming, i'm going to decrease treble a bit" with Ableton it's a bit difficult to react to every single thing in this way.
However i think the last Markus Schulz Las Vegas 11' is mixed with Ableton, the mix is so impressive in terms of phrasing but for me Markus is one of the best djs live in the technical part so who knows. |
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| LoveHate |
| quote: | Originally posted by Raphie
ableton and just draw volume curves, you didn't think that anyone actually is mixing these compilations with 2 Pio's and a DJ mixer? |
tiesto still does.:) |
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| Rodri Santos |
| quote: | Originally posted by LoveHate
tiesto still does.:) |
i can believe this because i've always thought that i could mix better his compilations, the ISOS are poorly mixed, however i recognize that mixing with TT's is a lot more complicated than mixing with cdj 2000's |
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| _dinamit_ |
| quote: | Originally posted by LoveHate
tiesto still does.:) |
And thats the reason that his mixes (CDs) are sounds less tight then Mr Van Buuren - more manually thing, might sound less "professonal" because everything sound perfect (beatmatching, Volume etc'...)
I Miss my cdj 1000 :sadgreen: |
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| Stu Cox |
I guess it depends why you want your mixes to sound 'pro'.
If you're doing it on software, the chances are you're not using it to get gigs, so are you actually producing a compilation to be released commercially? If so, you're probably better off paying a mastering house to worry about that for you.
If you're just making mixes to listen to yourself and casually send out to mates / people on the net then I wouldn't worry about it: if it doesn't sound like there are sudden changes in volume then it's probably not really a problem. Maybe stick a limiter on it and push the volume up a little bit so it's not TOO much quieter than anything other people might be listening to, but you don't need to worry about making it commercial release volume. If you can hear sudden changes in volume then you probably need to address how you're controlling the levels in the mix itself rather than resorting to mastering. |
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| DJ RANN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Rodri Santos
however i recognize that mixing with TT's is a lot more complicated than mixing with cdj 2000's |
Has it really come to this?
Christ, I don't know why it's become so difficult for a human to get some tracks and mix them through a mixer and record it.
There were 15-20 years of outstanding mix compilations done on TT's and CDJ's, Such as the entire global underground series, all of the Renaissance mixes, All of the Logical progressions mixes, all of the Fantasia Mixes....I could go on and on and on.
If you wan't some over produced, pasteurized schranz mix, good for you, but I prefer my DJ mixes to have some life....after they're called DJ mixes for a reason. |
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| Senator Clay Davis |
| agree with Rann totally here. just learn to mix properly, its not that difficult. the real challenge is finding good tracks. |
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| Atlantis-AR |
| Please don't use any compression. Simply turn the volume down on the loudest tracks instead. |
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