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Jack Moss - Return To Eden [Trance] (pg. 5)
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| jvs |
Remove the psy-influences and you get a sort of set a prog house DJ would make. Sure, some of the prog house is quite hypnotic, but I wouldn't say the same for your track selection.
The set feels kind of dull. Structural, chord and rhythmic progressions of the tracks are way too predictable, and while your set has a nice structure, it's dominated by the same type of mood. I'm all into subtlety, but if that means no mood changes, then what's the point? This is one of the reasons I dislike many of the prog house and uplifting trance sets.
The whole set smells like an attempt to make an "intelligent" set for "intelligent" listeners, but then that's what prog house is mainly about anyways.
I wish people would drop this bull and just ing focus on proper dance music that you can dance to and get lost into. If I want to listen to "deep" music I have Charlie Parker, Miles Davis, Mahavishnu Orchestra, Pat Metheny, Al Di Meola, Paco de Lucia, Pat Martino, Brad Mehldau, Phillip Glass, Jaco Pastorius and millions of other real musicians that make real music for listening.
The with this pseudo-intellectual bull. |
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| SYSTEM-J |
What a very strange bump, and a strange criticism. There really was no attempt at subtlety or intelligence in this set. As I said at the start, it's just a straight-up trance mix. If you want to hear my attempt at an intelligent and subtle set, listen to Post Apocalyptic Transmissions. Although I find it baffling that you would consider many tracks of these tracks anything other than straight-up dance music to dance to. Also, I derive much amusement from you labelling this set pseudo-intellectual and then going on to name a very predictable list of credible and canonised "real music" staples like Davis and Glass. Hey man, I listen to modern classical too. Check out the new Kronos Quartet album if you haven't already. This is a trance mix.
Also, if you really think the Arctic Moon track has the same mood as the Ovnimoon track, or the Solano track has the same mood as the Sunstryk track, then I'd suggest you weren't paying any attention whatsoever. As I see it, this set starts out very mellow and summery, gets more energetic and melodic, takes a trip into harder, more driving psy-trance and finishes up with some slightly more spacey and hippyish vibes. Judging by the comments of everyone else in this set I'd say most people felt these changes of mood and sound perfectly well.
Honestly do not understand where you're coming from, at all. There are plenty of things to pick at with this set - some of the mixing is pretty rough, some of the music can be construed as clichéd or cheesy - but criticising this set for trying to be subtle or intelligent is just plain weird. |
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| jvs |
It's pseudo-intellectual because people are obsessed with making "deep" dance music instead of simply making music that is primarily good for dancing. A lot of prog music is boring to dance to because it lacks the groove.
And yeah, your set does have mood changes, but we're talking nuances here. Ovnimoon's track isn't much different to Arctic Moon's track. Yeah, the former has more energy and it has psy-beat, but the mood is generally the same (it doesn't even seem to be MUCH darker). |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| I think you're a ing cretin. |
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| Dj Pluviose |
| quote: | Originally posted by jvs
It's pseudo-intellectual because people are obsessed with making "deep" dance music instead of simply making music that is primarily good for dancing. A lot of prog music is boring to dance to because it lacks the groove.
And yeah, your set does have mood changes, but we're talking nuances here. Ovnimoon's track isn't much different to Arctic Moon's track. Yeah, the former has more energy and it has psy-beat, but the mood is generally the same (it doesn't even seem to be MUCH darker). |
First of all, what you said is agreeable. I agree with you on your opinion. The mix does indeed have a stable mood, and that might be something that strikes a cord with you. Your opinion is fine, it's actually great. I can totally see that you are delivering your honest opinion that is both strong and bold. You are obviously not afraid to hide the truth behind what you feel. It is highly suggested though, that it might in your best interest, if you can choose to give your opinions, you should be a bit nicer about it. Don't get me wrong, your opinion is fine, and some people might not feel the same way about how you feel if you come on to them a bit strong like that. If you want your opinions and perspectives to be appreciated, you should explain why it bothers you with a more modest and humble approach. Otherwise, sometimes when we are too bold and blunt, it might come off as more of a pride vs pride, or ego vs ego type of argument. The fact that it becomes an argument itself is no longer a subject or topic of constructive criticism. You might hurt people's feelings sometimes. The person puts in work, dedication, effort, timing, and love into their work and sometimes coming onto them too strong might only hurt than rather than get them to understand. I just hope you make that consideration for your next encounters. Peace. |
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| jvs |
I work as a game designer and I literally have to put up with thousands of negative, blunt criticisms on daily basis. And that's not counting forum posts, youtube comments and Internet reviews. You get used to it after some time, so I kind of lost that "be nice" attitude. But besides that, this forum smells like a "free speech" zone where everyone s on everyone without much thinking, so that further encourages bluntness.
It's not like I really hate his set anyways. It's only because his set resembles a typical pretentious prog house set that I got carried over and started ranting about prog scene snobs. He misinterpreted me and I didn't quite feel like pointing each misinterpretation. But yeah, I didn't say he has limited taste in music, and he understood my "intelligent set" phrase in a different way (when I was mostly talking about people ignoring certain aspects of dance music altogether because they consider it inferior to their quasi-dance stuff).
I might be reading too much into his set, I don't know. |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| I think you've never heard any of these tracks in a club, and if you had you wouldn't be calling this "quasi-dance". |
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| ziptnf |
| I think jvs likes Katy Perry and Lady Gaga more than your psytrance, Jack. Which means his opinion doesn't matter. He also designs games, so picture Nou when you're reading his criticisms. |
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| rdevito |
| quote: | Originally posted by jvs
Ovnimoon's track isn't much different to Arctic Moon's track. |
Arctic Moon is just another generic uplifting (epic) trance producer. All his tracks has the same boring sound, it's just degga degga hands in the air music. Ovnimoon tends to be more hypnotic and psychedelic, It's not THAT dark but it's way darker than Arctic Moon.
So yeah, Arctic Moon and Ovnimoon has nothing to do with each other, it's totally different music. |
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| jvs |
| Ah, yeah, Arctic Moon is that Andy Blueman-like bull film music. How did we end up talking about him? |
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| Mr Game+Watch |
| quote: | Originally posted by rdevito
Arctic Moon is just another generic uplifting (epic) trance producer. All his tracks has the same boring sound, it's just degga degga hands in the air music. Ovnimoon tends to be more hypnotic and psychedelic, It's not THAT dark but it's way darker than Arctic Moon.
So yeah, Arctic Moon and Ovnimoon has nothing to do with each other, it's totally different music. |
What is "degga degga"? I've heard that phrase thrown around a few times wrt trance music lately. |
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