Wow it must be tough to live in a small sector of life where you are always being critically criticized in the most negative fashion. That's the world, welcome to planet Earth. I totally understand how you feel. People criticize my fashion, hair style, musical preference (Trance), perspectives on life, and many others.
What I learned throughout all this is you just gotta swallow it up and move on with it. No one likes being ted on during criticism. So when people criticize you, you might have to already be prepared for it. We don't live in a perfect society and most likely the people criticizing you were probably being criticized as well. It only adds onto the endless chain reaction if you do the same.
But I understand that you are a great guy and you mean no harsh and evil intentions. It's obvious that you might have possibly gotten carried away. And that's fine. We're humans. We can't always be on-point.
What I learned in life is that when they choose to criticize you, suck it up and evaluate the validity of their arguments. As in, is it really something valid to criticize you about? Do they bring up good points? Or are they just saying vomit coming out of their mouth because you are not "like them?" If it has anything to do with "You're not cool because you're not doing what everybody else does" If it's anything like that, then you say just ignore them. Some people are idiots and will criticize anything that is not "what everybody does," or what is "what they like." Well you wanna know one thing? they. the masses. Just be yourself. Evaluate the validity of the criticism. And then change only if it's valid.
jvs
I actually really like that. The power to voice your opinion no matter how bad it is + being able to read between the lines and deal with things as naturally as possible.
In fact, I think that's the only way for criticism to be useful. Otherwise, you're limiting criticism by expecting people to be "constructive". And not only that, but a lot of things cannot be effectively communicated through "constructive criticism" (as they are very subtle and most often, the person is not aware of them).
Dj Pluviose
I stand corrected.
Honestly there is no great deal of saying it the way you do. It's just the way you project yourself can make you as a person appear not very constructive, or it can hurt or bother the other person. Which in case makes them might not even be open to listening to the criticism.
You'd have to agree that you would rather someone tell you honestly and kindly (now I don't mean all unicorn and bear huggies style). But just genuine and professional.
jvs
Yeah, there is no doubt I could have said what I've said in a different, more professional way, but the mood took over.
SYSTEM-J
I don't care about you being nice or "professional" or whatever, I just care about you being completely wrong about just about everything you've said. Progressive house has no groove. The opening track has the same mood as the later tracks. This type of music isn't "proper dance music". It's just endless. Have you actually been to a nightclub in your life?
Perhaps if you'd provided any examples or explanations as to why this set apparently resembles a prog set, or what characteristics of it seem like an attempt to be "intelligent" - you know, the ing basics of any criticism, professional or othewise - then I might have a clue where you've drawn these conclusions from. Instead you've walked into a 6 month old thread and started making wild and inaccurate assumptions about my ideology and intentions behind this set, with absolutely no reasoning given as to how you came to these conclusions. Your only criticism that actually describes the music is typical dullard generic non-feedback like "Way too predictable", which is akin to when people criticise music for "having no creativity". It generally means "I don't like it, and I don't have the critical faculties to explain why so I'll make an incredibly broad and vague complaint."
I've got no problems with people being opinionated, provide they don't come across as absolute morons. If you're going to label my set "bull" then you should at least take the effort to explain exactly why.
Oh, and it was supposed to be "Arctic Night", obviously.
rdevito
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Originally posted by Mr Game+Watch
What is "degga degga"? I've heard that phrase thrown around a few times wrt trance music lately.
Something like 'filler sounds'.
jvs
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Progressive house has no groove.
Plain and simple, your opening track (and many other tracks, but not all) is boring to dance to. What do you want me to say else? It's ing boring to dance to. Compare that to say Astrix's Third Time Lucky, Infected Mushroom's Acid Killer, Aphex Twin's Halibut Acid, Union Jack's Red Herring, Union Jack's The Dark Major (there are probably good examples from Boards of Canada too), Joris Voorn's Vision, Akufen's Jeep Sex, Carl Craig's Dreamland and many other groovy tracks.
Plenty of prog house suffers from this, but again not all of it (in fact, there is a lot of great prog house).
Of course, you can now argue that this was your intention. Fair enough. However, my argument then boils down to what I like in sets, and I like all tracks to be groovy enough.
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The opening track has the same mood as the later tracks.
I already explained this. I didn't mean it literally, just that it didn't change much. You can take this as my taste or whatever. It simply didn't as much as I'd expect.
You can now argue that I shouldn't express this sort of criticism (cause you're not interested in it or whatever), in which case you're asking for formal criticism and contradicting yourself (given that formal criticism is essentially constructive criticism and nice talking).
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This type of music isn't "proper dance music".
The less groovier, the less proper.
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Have you actually been to a nightclub in your life?
Better question: do you dance in nightclubs? Do you like to dance? Do you REALLY like to dance or do you just stomp or do mindless dance to the music you like?
Practically, you can dance to anything so as long you're willing. But that's missing the point.
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generic non-feedback like "Way too predictable", which is akin to when people criticise music for "having no creativity". It generally means "I don't like it, and I don't have the critical faculties to explain why so I'll make an incredibly broad and vague complaint."
What else do you expect? Seriously?
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I've got no problems with people being opinionated, provide they don't come across as absolute morons. If you're going to label my set "bull" then you should at least take the effort to explain exactly why.
I already did. You wasn't satisfied with it.
Essentially, you're asking for formal criticism and contradicting yourself.
Dj Pluviose
Lolz, I guess this is an example of an irrational person.
The less groovy the less proper? Right.
Trance was never intended to really dance to anyway. I mean seriously, who actually dances to Airwave? Trance is more like music for the concentrated mind.
SYSTEM-J
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Originally posted by jvs
Plain and simple, your opening track (and many other tracks, but not all) is boring to dance to. What do you want me to say else? It's ing boring to dance to. Compare that to say Astrix's Third Time Lucky, Infected Mushroom's Acid Killer, Aphex Twin's Halibut Acid, Union Jack's Red Herring, Union Jack's The Dark Major (there are probably good examples from Boards of Canada too), Joris Voorn's Vision, Akufen's Jeep Sex, Carl Craig's Dreamland and many other groovy tracks.
It's the opening track. You don't open a set with the funkiest track in your armoury, you open with something to get people's heads nodding while you build up the energy later on.
And seriously, you're criticising this set for not being "groovy" and you list Union ing Jack as a superior example? I've seen Union Jack, I've danced to Red Herring, and trust me it is no more interesting to dance to than the majority of these tracks. What a ty list of groovy tracks, I might add. This is a groovy track:
By your outstanding logic, Union Jack and Infected Mushroom are less groovy than this, thus are "quasi-dance" as well, and not "proper". That makes anyone who plays Union Jack "pretentious" and "pseudo-intellectual" as well.
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Better question: do you dance in nightclubs? Do you like to dance? Do you REALLY like to dance or do you just stomp or do mindless dance to the music you like?
Yeah, I do. There are people who've posted in this thread who've been on nights out with me and can attest to this. Now how about you answer my question, Mr Videogamer? When was the last time you set foot in a club? When was the last time you danced to progressive house, or psy-trance, or Union Jack?
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Essentially, you're asking for formal criticism and contradicting yourself.
No I'm not. Stop inventing false oppositions to try and squirm your way out of backing up your idiocy. I said "I don't care about you being nice or professional". It's entirely possible to offer formal criticism while still being unpleasant, and since you aren't being paid to comment on my set it is never going to be "professional". I'm talking about you actually back up your spurious conclusions with specific examples. That's not even being constructive. Constructive criticism would be something like "You need to improve your cueing points for tracks so you keep the energy levels higher" - criticism that would allow me to improve on future efforts. I don't care about that, in part because I'm fairly confident you know all about DJing anyway. I'm talking about you explaining your conclusions. You can still call my set "bull" at the end of it, and you can continue to be your obnoxious and confrontational self while doing it. There is no contradiction here whatsoever.
So back up, or shut the up.
Dj Pluviose
OMFG SYSTEM-J YOU ING DID IT AGAINNNNNNNNNNNNNN
You posted an awesome track ;D
No seriously, that was a en groovy track. God I felt like dancing.
jvs
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Lolz, I guess this is an example of an irrational person.
Irrational just because I think dance music should be about dance. Nice from you to say that. ;)
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Trance was never intended to really dance to anyway. I mean seriously, who actually dances to Airwave? Trance is more like music for the concentrated mind.
You can dance to some trance music. Dutch Trance is a big exception and I don't see how that's relevant?
If I want dance music I will want it to be as dance-able as possible.
If I want music for listening I wouldn't care.
Basically, when I go to parties I expect to dance and get lost in it. When I go to concerts I don't care about dancing as much.
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It's the opening track. You don't open a set with the funkiest track in your armoury, you open with something to get people's heads nodding while you build up the energy later on.
Cool story bro.
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And seriously, you're criticising this set for not being "groovy" and you list Union ing Jack as a superior example? I've seen Union Jack, I've danced to Red Herring, and trust me it is no more interesting to dance to than the majority of these tracks. What a ty list of groovy tracks, I might add.
No. Union Jack has FAR more rhythm than Arctic Night.
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This is a groovy track
No, the rhythm is boring as hell.
Take a listen to "The Dark Major". It's not funky but it still makes you want to dance.
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Now how about you answer my question, Mr Videogamer? When was the last time you set foot in a club? When was the last time you danced to progressive house, or psy-trance, or Union Jack?
Hey guys, my name is Jack Moss and when people critcize me the way I don't want them to criticize me, I get angry and I stereotype people, then ask them rhetorical questions expecting them to answer them, cause if they answer the way I want them to answer it will be easier for me to deal with criticism, cause it would mean the person is an idiot and that I'm smart.
Nice try dude. Nice try.
(yes dude, I've been to parties; what a dumb and naive try)
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I'm talking about you explaining your conclusions.
You must be retarded sir.
At no point did you ASK me to explain things. Instead, you whined like a passive-aggressive because you can't deal with criticism.
SYSTEM-J
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Originally posted by jvs
You must be retarded sir.
At no point did you ASK me to explain things. Instead, you whined like a passive-aggressive because you can't deal with criticism.
I know I didn't ASK. I didn't say I did ASK. I still haven't ASKED. I'm explaining precisely why I'm annoyed and precisely why I think you're a wit. Although this seems to boil down to you making categorical assertions about completely subjective and intangible concepts ("Track X has far more rhythm", "Track Y makes you want to dance") and then you label someone pretentious for playing tracks that don't conform to your weird ideas.
Now, instead of being vague and evasive, try answering my questions:
1. When was the last time you set foot in a club?
2. When was the last time you danced to progressive house?
3. When was the last time you danced to psy-trance?
4. When was the last time you danced to Union Jack?
