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Dj's and Gigs (pg. 3)
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| DjWoody |
| quote: | Originally posted by discobiscuit
I know DJs who are better than me who don't get gigs because they come on to strong. Don't step toes or try to undercut people who you are friends with. I've had to cut off several friendships because of it. |
That right there is HUGE!!!! If you try to undercut people you're going to burn bridges. It's not good!!! You wanna see what happens to undercutters? Just go to the Serato boards. THEY HATE THEM! |
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| Rodri Santos |
- Lie, it's funny but it works i've heard many stories about it and they worked.
- Give them something cool, what is going to attract people isn't your music nor your cool name because they haven't heard about it but if you look like this on the flyer:
- XXXXX [Trance Energy]
- XXXXX [Armada Records]
- XXXXX [BBC Radio 1]
People will be interested and again it doesn't need to be true, or just be partially true.
For example you can have a track in any of the hundred labels under the Armada umbrella, but chances that people know that label is 0 unless they're really into trance, however Armada music is one of the biggest Edm labels, hence people have heard about it at some point, so you are making it look better.
About hosting a successful show on a big radio station you can put it if you did a guestmix there, you got a track played... believe me i see a lot of people doing both things.
And when the promoter thinks that you are the best you'll get the gig, i usually say that i don't charge on the first one (just a few drinks + will) because this means zero disadvantages for them, worst thing is that you can empty the club with your music but after or your lies it's something that he can't imagine xD.
At the moment i have left the mainstream scene because i was having mediocre gigs of 500 ppl with no soul and playing music, i just play in some random places or raves but what i am going to do next term that i am at Milan is this:
- Fill a C.V with or your feats and achievements , if you doubt if something is impressive or not, just make it some impressive.
- Make some copies 20 for example
- Burn your best kinda commercial set in a cd.
- Add wicked crowd noises to it
- Make copies of it and attach it to your C.Vs |
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| trancearoundwld |
| quote: | Originally posted by Rodri Santos
- Lie, it's funny but it works i've heard many stories about it and they worked.
- Give them something cool, what is going to attract people isn't your music nor your cool name because they haven't heard about it but if you look like this on the flyer:
- XXXXX [Trance Energy]
- XXXXX [Armada Records]
- XXXXX [BBC Radio 1]
People will be interested and again it doesn't need to be true, or just be partially true.
For example you can have a track in any of the hundred labels under the Armada umbrella, but chances that people know that label is 0 unless they're really into trance, however Armada music is one of the biggest Edm labels, hence people have heard about it at some point, so you are making it look better.
About hosting a successful show on a big radio station you can put it if you did a guestmix there, you got a track played... believe me i see a lot of people doing both things.
And when the promoter thinks that you are the best you'll get the gig, i usually say that i don't charge on the first one (just a few drinks + will) because this means zero disadvantages for them, worst thing is that you can empty the club with your music but after or your lies it's something that he can't imagine xD.
At the moment i have left the mainstream scene because i was having mediocre gigs of 500 ppl with no soul and playing music, i just play in some random places or raves but what i am going to do next term that i am at Milan is this:
- Fill a C.V with or your feats and achievements , if you doubt if something is impressive or not, just make it some impressive.
- Make some copies 20 for example
- Burn your best kinda commercial set in a cd.
- Add wicked crowd noises to it
- Make copies of it and attach it to your C.Vs |
Society is ran by coercive wording... Its about 50/50 lie/truth, but the winning ratio is up to your ability to interpret it in certain ways, or present the information to someone who will interpret it by your own design.
Example of distorted truth:
Reality:
Hey im new, never did a gig, no one will hire me because not only have i never had a gig, i infact suck , but i want a gig so u wanna hire me?
Promoter's response :
Ugh F**** no, who r u again? u suck.
Reality enhanced by coercive wording:
-#300 on armada records ( #300 of what?.. Not specifying belonging to any particular list so the lie is good to go)
-Partiality in so and so's "festival/event" (just a bent word for "participating in, or being a part of somehow". Sounds kind of official
Played here "some random name that sounds authentic". Once again, not including any specifics. All your doing is presenting a huge LACK of information. it's up to the promoter to be inquisitive.
Promoter's response:
Omg #300!!!!!!!!
Partiality in some1's event OMFG
Played fancy gigs b4 OMFG NO WAY<>
"im so hiring this guy!!" Those other guys suck. They are the 2nd banana in comparison!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'd say, in this case "lying" is more like. "having a more idealistic standpoint" than a realistic standpoint, None the less... both can constitute a moral self evaluated opinion.
Of course in the event that i make a website ill make sure i do a nice job with wordplay. Anyone know a good free website engine??? I can;t make a site. Rofl.
Something where you go to it, and a nice trance peak is going, that i can probably make on fl studio, therefor allowing me to claim the right to that track, and further making some promoter assume i create epic music , even tho it will be a 30 second loop* Ill emphasize how the loop was created by myself. And say "look a sample of his latest track" and its nice and flashy with a slideshow of myself "in action". lol.
Im gonna photoshop my face onto some armin van buren photoshoots, when hes @ those events that are really crowded. ( nah thats crossing the line) but you get the point. |
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| trancearoundwld |
I figure, a pic like this would do for some easy editing. Since the face is quite small, and distorted.
ROFL.
Of course im joking., I just think it's funny to consider. |
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| DjWoody |
| quote: | Originally posted by Rodri Santos
- Fill a C.V with or your feats and achievements , if you doubt if something is impressive or not, just make it some impressive.
- Make copies of it and attach it to your C.Vs |
For those in the US who never heard of a C.V., no it's not Traktor or Serato CONTROL VINYL, it's a resume.
:toothless |
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| DjWoody |
| quote: | Originally posted by trancearoundwld
I figure, a pic like this would do for some easy editing. Since the face is quite small, and distorted.
ROFL.
Of course im joking., I just think it's funny to consider. |
Oh, I've seen it done!
:toothless |
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| trancearoundwld |
| quote: | Originally posted by DjWoody
Oh, I've seen it done!
:toothless |
Whats wrong with using tricks of the trade:stongue:
All you have to do is write @ the bottom of the page
in VERY small font..
*Disclaimer: "This entire website layout is designed by someone else , and it is merely a concept design, it does not in any way reflect the reality of the person/and or business being advertised"
People are all wannabe lawyers now adays though. They either wanna be an actor, a dj, a lawyer, a doc, or a cop. If theres any POSSIBLE way they can keep you from sleeping at night, they will go for it. The dogs like chewing softer meat, and seeing a fake website when they are having a bad day, Might be their call to action, so maybe they can have one win. To satisfy their lives of mediocrity, stupidity and FAIL. Everyone's CRAVING a win.
I dont wanna get a lawsuit for false advertising. lol.
Who would be the first to go after my ass?
The competition!
Lying is by FAR the most probable and likely scenario for getting a gig though. |
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| n3lly |
| This thread is a whole load of . Sorry had to be said. |
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| knowhope |
| quote: | Originally posted by n3lly
This thread is a whole load of . Sorry had to be said. |
Just make sure that this section doesn't become the DJforums.com general section.
It is your job. NO, duty as the section mod to protect and serve us. |
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| trancearoundwld |
| quote: | Originally posted by n3lly
This thread is a whole load of . Sorry had to be said. |
Yes, and your comment has contributed alot... Well no. No it hasn't!!
Anyways, i think we can conlcude that if you want to get gigs, you need to stretch your importance far from reality in the eyes of the person who would book you, by making a REALLY epic website. With some good photoshop work.
Unless you can add something of value... |
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| djxtension |
| quote: | Originally posted by trancearoundwld
Yes, and your comment has contributed alot... Well no. No it hasn't!!
Anyways, i think we can conlcude that if you want to get gigs, you need to stretch your importance far from reality in the eyes of the person who would book you, by making a REALLY epic website. With some good photoshop work.
Unless you can add something of value... |
I'm so hoping you are not being serious...
If you're good, you'll get gigs. If you're not, you won't. Marketing is an important part of it, but lying and cheating will only bite you in the ass.
Where i live, it's just a matter of networking and getting your name out there.
Overdoing it a little can work, but be careful not to go too far.
Be yourself, be nice, and i'm sure a lot of doors will open. Remember that promoters and club-owners also need someone they can trust and build a relationship with. Being an arrogant big-mouth son-of-a-b*tch will not add to that.
Some things that might help:
- Have a demo (make it good - really, really, REALLY good)
- Have references (where have you played before, if any)
- Be known around the club scene (if a lot of people know you, you're more likely to attract a crowd)
- Be honest
- Have a website of some sorts (Facebook, Myspace, whatever...)
- Have some business cards, and write your contact details on EVERYTHING you leave behind (no use handing over a demo if it only says 'DJ Blabla - demo') |
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| trancearoundwld |
| quote: | Originally posted by djxtension
I'm so hoping you are not being serious...
If you're good, you'll get gigs. If you're not, you won't. Marketing is an important part of it, but lying and cheating will only bite you in the ass.
Where i live, it's just a matter of networking and getting your name out there.
Overdoing it a little can work, but be careful not to go too far.
Be yourself, be nice, and i'm sure a lot of doors will open. Remember that promoters and club-owners also need someone they can trust and build a relationship with. Being an arrogant big-mouth son-of-a-b*tch will not add to that.
Some things that might help:
- Have a demo (make it good - really, really, REALLY good)
- Have references (where have you played before, if any)
- Be known around the club scene (if a lot of people know you, you're more likely to attract a crowd)
- Be honest
- Have a website of some sorts (Facebook, Myspace, whatever...)
- Have some business cards, and write your contact details on EVERYTHING you leave behind (no use handing over a demo if it only says 'DJ Blabla - demo') |
| quote: | | Be yourself, be nice, and i'm sure a lot of doors will open. Remember that promoters and club-owners also need someone they can trust and build a relationship with. Being an arrogant big-mouth son-of-a-b*tch will not add to that. |
Well, Now im hoping that you're not serious. Do you know the basics of how 90% of people are when it comes to dealing with people who they may see as beneficial if they are nice?
Kindness is deceptive. If you have something of desire, people will treat you a lot nicer, it will be VERY f*** obvious, if your smart enough to notice, and if your not a moron, you'll realize that it isnt YOU they like. But your object of desire. They'll be kind, as a strategy against you to gain your trust, and when the right oppurtunity comes along... Undercut you. Fade you out. Than treat you like a worm. You've obviously never been in a position of power in your life , as is clearly shown by the way you reply like a c*nt to this thread. People with some sort of benefit to offer have to deal with the pathetic onslaught of the classic trojan horse types.
I watched a show, that showed all of these gorgeous women, who had a ton of male attention all of their lives and they were cocky as F*** and complete bitches.. and the one time they didn't wear makeup, no guys were paying attention to them, because , the guys liked their vanity , and not them. When they realized this they got butthurt and cried, they found out that they weren't actually cool, and their entire lives were reduced to a makeup cabinet. Just like when you have some kind of power for someone to vampiristically prey on., You better realize how people are.
You obviously have no experience in dealing with people.
You'll get no where in any business pursuit if you stop to cater to every ass kissing F*** head, and good promoters realize that and only deal with someone who is of equal benefit to them right off the bat, so someone starting out, is S.O.L . To any promoter with..... HALF A F***** BRAIN. |
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