Originally posted by Swamper
He is - but it is valid:
It is very easy to just be negative on an artist/piece of music but it actually requires some time/thought to express your reasons as to why.
That's a side-issue - this is basically about why certain people on this forum have high standards/snobbery, not how they choose to express those standards/snobbery.
The point made by the original comic is irrelevant to TA. Sure, a lot of trance snobs on here only listen to trance (Rebel9 springs to mind) and they're the classic genre snobs with extremely narrow and purist ideas of what is acceptable. But most of the unicorn fans on here are "I love trance, it's my life, I don't listen to anything else" morons who also have extremely narrow tastes and an intense focus on a very limited spectrum of music. Some of them have been listen to the same stuff for 5-10 years and have shown no signs of improving their taste. Also, they are frequently just as myopic and close-minded as the "old school trance fans", being extremely dismissive of both "rock and rap " their lamentable friends listen to, and dreaded minimal/dubstep/progressive etc. The kicker is that a lot of people on here have broadened their tastes considerably and still hate on fluff trance.
The second point is completely different, opening a massive can of worms about the function of art, and I think it's almost as irrelevant. There are few trance records I'd credit as deep or intellectually challenging pieces of art, and I don't think that's the issue at all.
LAdazeNYnights
in' sexless dingleberries
4ANYBDSBRNINFLM
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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
That's a side-issue - this is basically about why certain people on this forum have high standards/snobbery, not how they choose to express those standards/snobbery.
It is how they express this snobbery that becomes a problem. Like how enydo said that they should kidnap BTs daughter. That is not acceptable. It is despicable, absolutely uncalled for and warrants a ban right there. Talking about somebody's little daughter on the internet. http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...5680&forumid=1&
NOT ACCEPTABLE ^
In all honesty this is beginning to become disturbing. I find nothing civil in laughing about the unfortunate kidnapping of somebody's daughter on a public message board. Have some compassion. If it makes you guys feel good to laugh at tragic events in peoples life maybe you should get a job working for some reality TV production company and save this board for people who actually like dance music.
Be happy.
kadomony
This thread is of poor quality.
EddieZilker
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Originally posted by 4ANYBDSBRNINFLM
It is how they express this snobbery that becomes a problem. Like how enydo said that they should kidnap BTs daughter. That is not acceptable. It is despicable, absolutely uncalled for and warrants a ban right there. Talking about somebody's little daughter on the internet. http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...5680&forumid=1&
NOT ACCEPTABLE ^
In all honesty this is beginning to become disturbing. I find nothing civil in laughing about the unfortunate kidnapping of somebody's daughter on a public message board. Have some compassion. If it makes you guys feel good to laugh at tragic events in peoples life maybe you should get a job working for some reality TV production company and save this board for people who actually like dance music.
Be happy.
It's pretty brave of you to post this. Many times, an outsider's point of view is better than people who have been here for a while. The outsider has no real understanding of the various group subtexts certain posts might actually be related to. They'd have no idea how the poster was regarded by peer members, let alone the quality of his or her contributions. I'd imagine that their sense of irony is well honed and that they are able to discern that offensive posts haven't one iota of legitimate satirical license. Taking the above into account, one will deduce that they are impartial and have practical, well adjusted ideals.
Why, I'll bet the typical outsider takes great pride in being morally superior, harshly judging our tolerance of the vulgar and dutifully chastising us for wallowing in its filth. No doubt, they'd be able to arrive at a correct course of action regarding the poster, in question. By their own test, it is only people who love music who also refrain from making tastelessly insensitive remarks. Who better to populate the forum with? The feckless troll with his morbid sense of humor, signifying his hatred of all things musical, or the righteous, music-loving newbie affecting the citizen's arrest on the woefully tolerated transgressor?
SYSTEM-J
Eddie, that's clearly Existo.
You're never going to be very good at this, are you?
zakquiney
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Originally posted by 4ANYBDSBRNINFLM
I find nothing civil in laughing about the unfortunate kidnapping of somebody's daughter on a public message board.
Maybe Brian should have considered that before he openly posted details of a private/police matter in a myspace blog.
EddieZilker
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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
Eddie, that's clearly Existo.
You're never going to be very good at this, are you?
Well, I was until you showed up to poke a gaping hole in it.
pointPi
I knew my opinions had flawed reasoning and straw-man-features, but that's totally fine on me. I accept other's, what I consider, a bit superior views on the matter and I'll adapt to them. That's how a thinker's (as opposed to a believer's) mind works, constantly adapting and changing her mind as she's exposed to new informations and perspectives.
And yes, I'm fully aware that the logic of the comic also apply to the trancecrackers that I once one of for a year or so. So the lesson here is that there is no 'ultimate' type of music that everyone will appeal and people with that sort of belief can and deserves to be compared with religious zealots.
The reason for why we like different types of music might be for the same reason we interpret the colour red differently and why children prefer sweet and salty over sour and bitter.
4ANYBDSBRNINFLM
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Some of them have been listen to the same stuff for 5-10 years and have shown no signs of improving their taste.
Improving their taste? Their taste is fine hypocrite.
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being extremely dismissive of both "rock and rap "
This is not about rock and rap though. Besides any rapper worth his gold teeth in record royalties has his own message board these days... maybe you guys can go hand out there where your propaganda might go unnoticed.
Like...
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dreaded minimal/dubstep/progressive
Dubstep, Minimal and… progressive? Hey hey... wait a minute, this is System-j and he is not-too-subtly trying to enforce some media conceived genre's relevance by placing it alongside progressive house in the same sentence. So does System J think you are stupid? Does he? Yes he does.
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There are few trance records I'd credit as deep or intellectually challenging pieces of art.
System J you have been riding on your own grotesquely inflated sense of relevance for pretty much as long as anyone can remember here who the cares what ''trance record you would credit as an intellectually challenging piece of art'' Save it. Besides great trance is still being made. Steve Helstrip From the Thrillseekers made an awesome record called Song For Sendai to support relief in Japan. And it is one of the most beautiful records ever made.
起死回生
:)
nefardec
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Originally posted by stevö
how i interpret it:
people/djs stay buried in one genre for too long, they fail to get perspective on reality.
i walked into a reggae party at a house the other night. the dj had tons of vinyl, but nobody dancing, mostly dudes. i like reggae, but the music was too raw and authentic, you would have to be a die hard reggae enthusiast nerd to appreciate it, which was the type of dudes at this party were. seriously, the reggae internet radio station we play during the day while doing chores around the house sounds a million times better than what these reggae nerds were playing.
I think good music is good music. You don't have to play 'my first rocksteady' to a crowd to have it be appreciated. It might be appreciated in a different way, but in my opinion, good art can be appreciated from lots of different angles. And a good selector is aware of all of this.
I too get frustrated when I see or especially hear people who get fixated in one trope.
The problem with the reggae night above is that they were probably too interested in the rarity and novelty of the objects themselves and not as interested in the message and the communication. Good deejaying has and will always be about strong, captivating images/messages and good communication, no matter if you play rare grooves or top40.
Re: OP
If it were instead a picture of Obama eating fried chicken, then we'd be on to something.
