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Kick in mono = less bright. (pg. 3)
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| Raphie |
| quote: | Originally posted by evo8
you serious? Kicks should always be in mono, at least the lower frequencies anyway |
I'm sorry, I think everybody understands how an evenly balanced mix works and that you don't pan kicks in general, but there is no advantage to use a dead centered stereo kick or rendering that same kick mono.
Yes your bassline panned hard left and your kick hard right, would be something else, wouldn't it? :D |
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| LoveHate |
i dont get it, whats the point?
seems like you are making things more complicated than they need to be.. |
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| evo8 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Raphie
I'm sorry, I think everybody understands how an evenly balanced mix works and that you don't pan kicks in general, but there is no advantage to use a dead centered stereo kick or rendering that same kick mono.
Yes your bassline panned hard left and your kick hard right, would be something else, wouldn't it? :D |
well it depends on whats making the kick stereo...if someone is putting chorus on a kick or using the hass effect then that could cause major problems if collapsed to mono - i wouldnt even like to risk it on dual-mono
I think just keep the kick mono, full stop - maybe layer something stereo (hi-hat possibly) on top if you want to give the illusion of a stereo kick |
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| Raphie |
| quote: | Originally posted by evo8
well it depends on whats making the kick stereo...if someone is putting chorus on a kick or using the hass effect then that could cause major problems if collapsed to mono - i wouldnt even like to risk it on dual-mono
I think just keep the kick mono, full stop - maybe layer something stereo (hi-hat possibly) on top if you want to give the illusion of a stereo kick |
put it on an MS matrix you will find that there will be always mid information (mono) |
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| johncannons1 |
| I got told on here ages ago to always mono your kick because at least the sub bass needs to be in mono. I don't really have a tool to center everything below 200 and I don't wanna do the whole multiband comp and buss thing I do to my bass. |
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| Andy28 |
| sonalksis stereo tool will let you mono frequencies below your set frequency or you can use THIS for free |
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| Evolve140 |
| quote: | Originally posted by johncannons1
I got told on here ages ago to always mono your kick because at least the sub bass needs to be in mono. I don't really have a tool to center everything below 200 and I don't wanna do the whole multiband comp and buss thing I do to my bass. |
there's a lot of people saying things they don't have any business talking, like it's factual. it happens. if there's something i read and i know it's total bull, i'll try to say something (if i know enough to correct them). they were probably droning on about how the bass in clubs is mono. the thing is, you don't need that in your processing because if it is done in mono at a club, the only thing that it will be pushing through mono are likely the lower frequencies. if you have an awesome track, and the acoustics in the venue are nice and you have a stellar system (which rarely happens, btw. most venues' acoustics and speakers suck) then the track will sound great. a few beers later in another club with a not so great sound system and acoustics, it still might sound great. unless the sound at the club is noticeably horrible it won't affect your night out, and at the end of the night you aren't going to notice any of that unnecessary work that went into a technicality you convinced yourself was needed. the beautiful thing about kick samples is they are one of the few items in your track you do not have to touch with processing. and let's face it, people over process the out of the mix to make it loud and frankly, i find that obnoxious. anyway, i digress. manually EQ your 2 layers of kicks with finess, or use something like the EQ3 in Ableton, and find a cutoff point for your lower frequencies on one kick and the higher frequencies on the other kick, creating a layer. you can also use a spectrum analyzer to see which frequency your root note bassline is in and possibly change your kick to the same key/frequency.
none of this has anything to do with changing your kick to mono, yet is vastly more important. |
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| evo8 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Raphie
put it on an MS matrix you will find that there will be always mid information (mono) |
yes im sure there is
however whats happens if that mid information sounds like mush - or is about 3db lower than the stereo kick would be??? |
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| EddieZilker |
| Forgive me if this has already been covered but I've got a track I'm working where I'm keeping the track to master in stereo but bussing into mono channels for summing to the mixer. This seems to be getting the desired result. |
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| MaxC |
| Give Basslane a try. It has an adjustable slope crossover filter that will allow you to mono everything below the cutoff frequency while preserving everything above. Sounds exactly like what the OP is looking for, and best of all, it's free! |
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| PlasticSoul |
| quote: | Originally posted by Andy28
sonalksis stereo tool will let you mono frequencies below your set frequency or you can use THIS for free |
I was going suggest this... always used it... |
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| cristianokeller |
Well, looking at some Vengeance kicks stereo width with Waves Paz Analyzer, I've noticed that the low content under 250 Hz is nice centered. So I think there's no big problems in this area.
The real problem is the high content, that has a strange stereo (like chorused), occupying a wide range in this area and with no sense of direction (off course because t's a kick..)
But what I notice every time is that this wide high content can make mi hi-hats sound confuse!
So, I'm in doubt if these kicks are ready to go... I've noticed a lot of phasing issues in these highs too! Really strange... They are ready to go alone? |
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