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good read, local artists speaking out... (pg. 2)
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| Marcus007 |
:rolleyes:
sucker
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| Adam420 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ravemontreal
What is there really to think about?
The same article could be written from the perspective of a DJ from Trois-Rivières saying how great Montreal is.
No matter in what field you work in, you have to consider reaching markets that need you.
As a Visual FX artist, I am worth a lot more and would do more interesting work in LA or Australia, which I did. And then came back. Some of my friends never did.
Nobody said it was easy being a DJ/producer/artist, and that you should earn great money from it. Or that being a true original artist will get you more gigs than somebody that sucks and pull more people in the club.
Either you find the market that needs you, or you create the market here. Far too many producers think people owe them something because they locked themselves in a studio for a year doing a bassline.
Indeed, Richie Hawtin doesn't have to do is own damn flyer, but I am pretty sure that a lot of DJs in Berlin do.
Basically I don't get the point of comparing Canada to Berlin. |
With all due respect, you are one of the people who actually "get it" and do things right. You have created a brand that has earned its following. IMO people should take a page from your book. Obviously there are others that do it right, but you are a great example in this case. |
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| corjay9 |
Seems like this Ohm guy (Comments below) wants someone to come down and hand him a massive residency. Thats not how it works, you have to work hard to promo yourself as a DJ because unless some massive DJ decides to take you under his wing, guess what? You're going to be a bedroom DJ forever. It's all about contacts and who you know. Mingle, get out there and meet the promoters, meet your fellow DJs, throw your own parties.
I've never been to Berlin but I highly doubt it's much different. Yeah the party scene is bigger in Berlin, but you don't think there's more DJs to compete with over there?
The same applies to producers/bands/whatever. If you don't put your name out or have the money to hire someone to do so, you're going no where. |
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| Maher Daniel |
i can tell you right now i have been to berlin i spent 2 months there last summer working in the studio with matthew dk and gigging around.
the major issue with montreal as much as i love this city with all my heart and respect all the hard work all the artist put into it, is a scene of community amongst the artist. and it lacks that big time.
there are no producers working together collaborating working on things with each other for the benefit of the group as whole.
in berlin for example on one floor 1 Mike Shanon / Deadbeat / Cassy / Dinky / Matthew styles / Andrea Fiorito / Guy gerber / Matthew dk / Miguel torro / Piere Bucci
all of which worked together on a record or 2 and hung out which creats a sense of community which there for leads to playing shows with each other exposing one another
tiefschwarz is office above them was the klonk and minus office down the hall from there guys like toby neuman they all just work together and make things happen for the greater cause rather then always trying to compete like we do over here
I mean sure it takes hard work and dedication/ to get to places but its also about recognizing your pears and working all together to make it happen for the scene and the artists
thats just the way i feel or see it |
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| Passskal |
Makes me smile when I hear bitter producers bitch about Montreal.
Our city is rocking with awesome EDM parties. We are the North American capital of PLUR. Pretty impressive considering the size of our market imo.
Europe is just way more into electronic music and it's easy to travel between countries.
In Montreal, yes you need to pack a guest list if you want to make it as an artist. So ing what...get out of your studio, make some friends and quit whinning. Put the effort in and organize your . Too lazy and introverted? Ok Mr Artist move out to a bigger market where things will be easier and people "will understand you".
If that still doesn't work, you can keep blaming others for your failure.
Edit: just want to clarify: this wasn't a direct response to your post Maher. I actually have in mind a few 35+ year old artists...some still living here, others in Berlin...always whinning about MTL |
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| Adam420 |
| In all fairness though Pask, I think most artists by nature are quite introverted, no? What people are saying is that it seems that in order to "make it" in this city, you need to be more than an artist, more than just about the music. I mean that's reality, fair enough, I'm not one to complain. However, I can see why people, who for them it's really about the music more than anything else, might be frustrated. But Montreal is a tough crowd and DJs do need to figure out creative ways to appeal to them, for sure. That's why, I think guys like Martin and Nadir do really well in that they have created actual "brands" that have garnered a following and will go to their next party regardless of who's DJing. I think that is the ideal approach, personally. |
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| Zyklon_Jay |
| everyone without an afro is starving, the market does not matter. |
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| Passskal |
| quote: | Originally posted by Adam420
In all fairness though Pask, I think most artists by nature are quite introverted, no? |
Producers maybe but DJs are live performers, they are on a stage, performing a show. So sorry but the ones who are outgoing and interact with the crowd (or wear stupid props) will most likely get more gigs. You need to play phenomenal music or enjoy a solid reputation before people go see you only for your music. Me thinks That is the reality and the norm. Berlin i would say, is the exception don't you think? |
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| Fran666 |
80% of what canada produces is exported...
and yes it's all about the market.
you choose to be an artist and respect your ideology and decide to not go mainstream or can't go mainstream because lack of investors in you... well obviously if it doesn't work here try elsewhere... just the normal thing to do... it's got nothing to do with here but with you and your choices.
montreal rocks big time, but it's a really small market for edm |
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| Adam420 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Passskal
Berlin i would say, is the exception don't you think? |
I definitely don't dispute that. But hey it's a nice dream to have don't you think? :p |
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| Marcus007 |
| very well said francis |
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| malek |
Everything has to be marketed and that's how things are for everything, including your most genius piece of musical artistery. If no one buys it or no one pays to see you perform it, it doesn't count at the end.
And obviously you have smaller and bigger markets, it's normal to go where your market is. It's like that for every sector, why would it be different for EDM?
Your music is global, stop thinking that your local market is enough to make you live.
Who said being an artist was easy, artists are a whiners by default anyways ;) |
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