Originally posted by Mattinsanity
the aura that old music possesses.
meriter
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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
Because I have absolutely no idea what music you like or what you want to hear? But that response is absolutely typical of your problem - you don't want to search for new music, you don't want to put any effort in. You want someone to give it to you, on a plate. When you live in a world where 10,000 tracks are released every single day you need to adjust to the reality that the music that appeals to you isn't necessarily going to jump out of this crowd and be put right under your nose. You're going to have to find it.
Now how about you answer the question?
I don't know how. Pandora is awful now and I don't have the same kind of positive influences in my life I used to. The stuff that I really love from the past, was very popular in the past so everybody knew about it. Now it's like there's this ocean of music out there and it's a struggle for it to find the right ears. I figure if some record comes out that's really special I'll definitely hear about it. That's usually how it goes.
Aaron C.
In context of progressive house; i'd say alot of the older stuff is better then the new.
I miss stuff labels like Forensic and Worship recordings would put out. Whatever happened to Forensic anyway? They haven't put out a release in a long while. Did they shut down?
But anyway, thread with Meriter, Lews, System-J, and Dark Arbiter posting......
Trance-MB
Big difference is that in the 90's a lot of tracks really were new or to most people sounded as something new. Also back then there really was huge development in equipment, something which IMO faded out around 2000 or even some years before.
Nowadays we compare and are able to compare to what has been made in the past. Also back then without internet there was less discussion, people relied on what record stores had to offer. Many times I heard tracks in a club and just wasn't unable to get them because of poor distribution channels of unpopular tracks. Now like System-J says huge numbers of tracks get released which makes finding what you like more difficult just because it takes time to find them and in general we have become a bit lazy in that. With internet most things are available within some mouse clicks.
Also I think we enjoyed tracks back then much longer then now and because of that remember them better.
sljiva
It depends on the type of music. Dance music is now over 25 years old, and for a music that is so closely constrained it's no surprise that it feels exhausted and drained these days. Early days were characterized by newness/freshness and producers with all sorts of musical backgrounds coming in and trying to implement unique ideas, so the tracks had a certain novelty attached to them. These days it's extremely hard to find something memorable or distinct, no matter how hard you dig.
-FSP-
hell no bro.
shout outs to top 40 and new school rap.
AUTOTUNE!!!!!!!!!!!!
pzK
If you dig a bit, you can find a lot of modern releases that sound like old music. Check this one out for instance.
Bierheld
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Originally posted by meriter
Naw, it's not just you. I think people have been saying this same thing since the 70's though. There has been great stuff in every decade. Well, I can't say I recall much mind-blowing stuff happening since 2003 or so, but you make the best of what's still around and you lower your standards to adapt. I'm not sure if I'm "romanticizing the past" or if things are just moving faster than my ability to accept them. But really the that gets pumped out these days in my opinion seems trendy disposable homogenized forgettable and otherwise just ing noise pollution most of the time. I think in some abstract way this has to do with file sharing. The labels are so concerned with the 'sure thing' because the industry is in such a vulnerable state and they're afraid to lose their ass promotion something that's different. What that means is all the 'safe' stuff that guarantees an immediate return is the primary focus. So anything pushing the envelope doesn't get the exposure it deserves, with the rare exception. It's gonna be this way for a while until things sort themselves out and artists actually have something to gain from making music again, aside from the lifestyle. We're in a transitional period, waiting for the next new platform that offers a fair energetic return for artists. The talent is still there obviously people are just biding there time because they've looked over the options and decided selling drugs is a better idea.
Neh, the scene is as healthy as it's ever going to be. Look at the game industry for instance, were production costs have skyrocketed and studios have no other option but to play it safe. Innovation doesn't really happen as much when you have to sell a million copies just to make it worth the effort.
A main stream exists only by grace of there being an alternative stream, romantically dubbed as Underground in our case. We are opportunistic in developing our tastes, we don't like mainstream music because we now have easy access to a huge alternative scene. If this were not the case, there would be no mainstream to complain about.
Low production costs is the best thing that can happen to a creative industry, especially one based on technology.
And marketing? Well, marketing never changes. There's little point complaining about it.
SYSTEM-J
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Originally posted by meriter
I figure if some record comes out that's really special I'll definitely hear about it. That's usually how it goes.
Not any more. That's why I got pissed off with your short-lived nostalgia thread. Do you really think that Fatboy Slim and the Crystal Method were the most "special" things to come out of the 1990s? You didn't dig deep then, you don't dig deep now. You won't get away with it anymore.
Although from the sounds of it, your problem is very different to Matt's. You're just nostalgic and unable to adapt to changes in the music scene. Matt has no memories of "older music" he loves so much. He is afflicted by a phenomenon known as "retromania", where the synchronic non-space of the Internet presents a century of recorded music at his fingertips all at once, demolishing the boundaries of space and time that originally separated this music.
Of course 40 years of dance music history is going to contain better music than the last 5 years, if you consider it all at once. When you put things back into context, it isn't so flattering. The 1990s may have represented a certain zeitgeist for club music, an epochal centrality that has since been lost, and it's easy to look back and see a certain energy or vitality in the scene that's dissipated somewhat. But send Matt back to 1982 and only let him listen to contemporary music and he might suddenly see the errors of his cognitive bias.
Guest
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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
Not any more. That's why I got pissed off with your short-lived nostalgia thread. Do you really think that Fatboy Slim and the Crystal Method were the most "special" things to come out of the 1990s? You didn't dig deep then, you don't dig deep now. You won't get away with it anymore.
Although from the sounds of it, your problem is very different to Matt's. You're just nostalgic and unable to adapt to changes in the music scene. Matt has no memories of "older music" he loves so much. He is afflicted by a phenomenon known as "retromania", where the synchronic non-space of the Internet presents a century of recorded music at his fingertips all at once, demolishing the boundaries of space and time that originally separated this music.
Of course 40 years of dance music history is going to contain better music than the last 5 years, if you consider it all at once. When you put things back into context, it isn't so flattering. The 1990s may have represented a certain zeitgeist for club music, an epochal centrality that has since been lost, and it's easy to look back and see a certain energy or vitality in the scene that's dissipated somewhat. But send Matt back to 1982 and only let him listen to contemporary music and he might suddenly see the errors of his cognitive bias.
You obviously still havent gotten laid since the last time I suggested you make it a priority to do so
Tasty Onions
Eh, particular genres might go downhill or at least stop sounding the way you like, but I wouldn't say that music has declined in general.
People romanticize music of their youth because that's when they had the most time and energy to devote to music, finding it, listening to it, talking about it, going to shows, sometimes making it. You'll get enjoyment out of a hobby in proportion to what you put in, generally (assuming you have some liking for it in the first place).
