Originally posted by Tosh
Do you have friends? Just wondering cuz you blast everything on here and you're always crying about something.... :haha:
:stongue:
I love Tosh.
mobius9
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Originally posted by fantasyexctasy
You people make me sick, championing a thief and a con man who ripped off millions if dollars from his Sheeple by selling them inferior products that are more elastic than a rubber band. If they sold a pile of and put it in a box with an Apple logo, all of those drones would be trying to justify why we all need the i. Sickening
It is somewhat true though, apple has done a fair amount of evil. It's not fair to ignore the fact that Jobs pushed the tech industry though. At least credit him for that.
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Breakout, a discrete logic (non-microprocessor) game, was conceptualized by Nolan Bushnell and Steve Bristow, after the latter had "rejoined" Atari after the merge of Atari subsidiary Kee Games.
They had an idea to turn Pong into a single player game, where the player would use a ball to deplete a wall of bricks without missing the ball on its rebound. Bushnell was certain the game would be popular, and the two partnered to produce a concept. Al Alcorn was assigned as the project manager, and began development with Cyan Engineering in 1975. The same year, Alcorn assigned Steve Jobs to design a prototype. Jobs was offered US$750, with an extra $100 each time a chip was eliminated from the prospected design. Jobs promised to complete a prototype within four days.
Jobs noticed his friend Steve Wozniak—employee of Hewlett-Packard—was capable of producing designs with a small number of chips, and invited him to work on the hardware design with the prospect of splitting the $750 wage. Wozniak had no sketches and instead interpreted the game from its description. To save parts, he had "tricky little designs" difficult to understand for most engineers. Near the end of development, Wozniak considered moving the high score to the screen's top, but Jobs claimed Bushnell wanted it at the bottom; Wozniak was unaware of any truth to his claims. The original deadline was met after Wozniak did not sleep for four days straight. In the end 50 chips were removed from Jobs' original design. This equated to a US$5,000 bonus, which Jobs kept secret from Wozniak, instead only paying him $375.
DJ RANN
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Originally posted by Sadface
He was a living legend and is one of the few people who truly made fundamental changes to the way we live our lives. Whether you were an apple fan or not, his influence on technology was undeniably positive.
I'm sad he's gone.
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Originally posted by freakster
he was a visionary, a genius and a pioneer. he changed all our lives for the better and the world is a worse place for his death.
RIP to steve.
In terms ofof "changing things"? Yes, he developed some groundbreaking products but people are comparing him and his cultural impact to Ghandi, Churchill, Edison, etc - that does not at all sit well with me and frankly it's self serving bull for apple fans.
He didn't really change much apart from our purchasing consumption behaviour, which in the grand scheme of things in life is pretty minor and petty. Granted, every cvnt on earth has an ipod, but sony made the walkman long before that, Edison with Cylinders before that - basically just variations on a theme of making music distributable and portable.
He made computers that were designed very nicely, but he didn't invent them either. Again, tkaing existing products and just making them a little better, and for the main reason of profit, not to do good for mankind.
Don't get me wrong, he was a massive influence on product development and design, but a cultural icon or a changemaker for mankind? Get real. Sad to see him go as he was good at what he did and certainly had more to offer, but do please keep it real, people.
fantasyexctasy
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Originally posted by Tosh
Do you have friends? Just wondering cuz you blast everything on here and you're always crying about something.... :haha:
Nah, I'm lonely
Sadface
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Originally posted by DJ RANN
RIP to steve.
In terms ofof "changing things"? Yes, he developed some groundbreaking products but people are comparing him and his cultural impact to Ghandi, Churchill, Edison, etc - that does not at all sit well with me and frankly it's self serving bull for apple fans.
He didn't really change much apart from our purchasing consumption behaviour, which in the grand scheme of things in life is pretty minor and petty. Granted, every cvnt on earth has an ipod, but sony made the walkman long before that, Edison with Cylinders before that - basically just variations on a theme of making music distributable and portable.
He made computers that were designed very nicely, but he didn't invent them either. Again, tkaing existing products and just making them a little better, and for the main reason of profit, not to do good for mankind.
Don't get me wrong, he was a massive influence on product development and design, but a cultural icon or a changemaker for mankind? Get real. Sad to see him go as he was good at what he did and certainly had more to offer, but do please keep it real, people.
Judging someone's contribution solely on the basis of whether or not they "invented" something is not particularly fair. Who cares who invented something if nobody uses the thing they invented? The importance of Job's ability to come up with people-friendly takes on previously esoteric bits of technology shouldn't be underestimated. His refinements repeatedly disrupted their respective industries, permanently changing them for the better. The Apple II kicked off personal computing, Mac OS inspired Windows, and I don't even need to talk about the iPhone. I'll give you that the ipod/itunes weren't super innovative, but I bet the record labels would still have some nasty things to say about them. Who cares if he did it for money? All of our lives are better because of his actions.
I'm not comparing him to Churhill or Ghandi because there is no point in doing so. The technology explosion is one of the most significant cultural advances in human history, and Jobs has been one of, if not THE most influential person affecting its growth. That stands on its own.
DJ RANN
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Originally posted by Sadface
Judging someone's contribution solely on the basis of whether or not they "invented" something is not particularly fair. Who cares who invented something if nobody uses the thing they invented? The importance of Job's ability to come up with people-friendly takes on previously esoteric bits of technology shouldn't be underestimated. His refinements repeatedly disrupted their respective industries, permanently changing them for the better. The Apple II kicked off personal computing, Mac OS inspired Windows, and I don't even need to talk about the iPhone. I'll give you that the ipod/itunes weren't super innovative, but I bet the record labels would still have some nasty things to say about them. Who cares if he did it for money? All of our lives are better because of his actions.
I'm not comparing him to Churhill or Ghandi because there is no point in doing so. The technology explosion is one of the most significant cultural advances in human history, and Jobs has been one of, if not THE most influential person affecting its growth. That stands on its own.
Let me preface this by saying I own several apple products and have done for over 15 years. I know Apples contributions to technology more than most, but what I'm referring to is those that are likening him to the greatest innovators and inventors of human history. You said it best; he was just a refiner. Yes, he had vision, but I think people make way more noise about his/apples products than they are actaully worth in the grand scheme of thing, or how history in the long term will view them.
Maybe it's a comment on human society that the people we call "genius", "leaders" and "cultural Icons" are people that find way to sell old things to us in shiny boxes;
Hence my point about him not inventing anything - making a recording for the first time, sending a singal from one place to another, creating a form of mechanical propulsion, creating the first microchip or semiconductor.....those are things that truly change mankind. Repackaging a portable music device in to a nice looking product, with a bigger storage capacity and user friendly interface and software does not "break ground" to me in the grand scheme of things. I'm not against profit at all - you make something nice why not make money from it - his products deserve to make money because they work well and look nice, but again, I really don't think he actually changed much in the grand/historical sense of things. Just look at the way Steve Jobs, the "genius" was marketed to us as a genius, leader and visionary - it serves a purpose, and if anything Wozniak was the brighter of the two in terms of the actual technology and hardly anyone knows his name. Why? Becuase it serves a commercial purpose to the shareholders of Apple to have this visionary masthead. All major companies do this now.
You want to talk about technology explosion - how about Tim Berners Lee, invented the internet protocol and gave it away for free for everyone to use? That is true genius, without any compromise.
Sadface
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Originally posted by DJ RANN
Let me preface this by saying I own several apple products and have done for over 15 years. I know Apples contributions to technology more than most, but what I'm referring to is those that are likening him to the greatest innovators and inventors of human history. You said it best; he was just a refiner. Yes, he had vision, but I think people make way more noise about his/apples products than they are actaully worth in the grand scheme of thing, or how history in the long term will view them.
Maybe it's a comment on human society that the people we call "genius", "leaders" and "cultural Icons" are people that find way to sell old things to us in shiny boxes;
Hence my point about him not inventing anything - making a recording for the first time, sending a singal from one place to another, creating a form of mechanical propulsion, creating the first microchip or semiconductor.....those are things that truly change mankind. Repackaging a portable music device in to a nice looking product, with a bigger storage capacity and user friendly interface and software does not "break ground" to me in the grand scheme of things. I'm not against profit at all - you make something nice why not make money from it - his products deserve to make money because they work well and look nice, but again, I really don't think he actually changed much in the grand/historical sense of things. Just look at the way Steve Jobs, the "genius" was marketed to us as a genius, leader and visionary - it serves a purpose, and if anything Wozniak was the brighter of the two in terms of the actual technology and hardly anyone knows his name. Why? Becuase it serves a commercial purpose to the shareholders of Apple to have this visionary masthead. All major companies do this now.
You want to talk about technology explosion - how about Tim Berners Lee, invented the internet protocol and gave it away for free for everyone to use? That is true genius, without any compromise.
I think you're underestimating the historical impact of Apple's contributions. The Apple II is already legendary and the iPhone will achieve that status as well. They were far more significant than "repackaging old things in shiny boxes", they made new forms of computing actually accessible to everyday people. I agree with you about the ipod, but it's hardly the most significant aspect of Job's legacy.
You mention Wozniack - here is what he has to say about Jobs:
At 1:55 - "He was lucky to have me in the beginning but i'm incredibly lucky to have him for everything in my life".
The funny thing is, while of course Job's "genius" was hyped extensively, you can't find anyone in the tech world who would disagree with it. He wasn't up there duping middle america, he was convincing the other great minds and leaders of our time.
turpentine
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Originally posted by DJ RANN
Let me preface this by saying I own several apple products and have done for over 15 years. I know Apples contributions to technology more than most, but what I'm referring to is those that are likening him to the greatest innovators and inventors of human history. You said it best; he was just a refiner. Yes, he had vision, but I think people make way more noise about his/apples products than they are actaully worth in the grand scheme of thing, or how history in the long term will view them.
Maybe it's a comment on human society that the people we call "genius", "leaders" and "cultural Icons" are people that find way to sell old things to us in shiny boxes;
Hence my point about him not inventing anything - making a recording for the first time, sending a singal from one place to another, creating a form of mechanical propulsion, creating the first microchip or semiconductor.....those are things that truly change mankind. Repackaging a portable music device in to a nice looking product, with a bigger storage capacity and user friendly interface and software does not "break ground" to me in the grand scheme of things. I'm not against profit at all - you make something nice why not make money from it - his products deserve to make money because they work well and look nice, but again, I really don't think he actually changed much in the grand/historical sense of things. Just look at the way Steve Jobs, the "genius" was marketed to us as a genius, leader and visionary - it serves a purpose, and if anything Wozniak was the brighter of the two in terms of the actual technology and hardly anyone knows his name. Why? Becuase it serves a commercial purpose to the shareholders of Apple to have this visionary masthead. All major companies do this now.
You want to talk about technology explosion - how about Tim Berners Lee, invented the internet protocol and gave it away for free for everyone to use? That is true genius, without any compromise.
uh, it was jobs who championed the idea of using a mouse to click on graphical icons in order to perform actions on a computer. you don't think that changed much? the fact that you just clicked a graphic to execute a bunch of code in order to "reply" to this thread can be attributed to him. yeah, no big deal though, it's not like he invented the internet or anything. :rolleyes:
jonmitz
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Originally posted by DJ RANN
Let me preface this by saying I own several apple products and have done for over 15 years. I know Apples contributions to technology more than most, but what I'm referring to is those that are likening him to the greatest innovators and inventors of human history. You said it best; he was just a refiner. Yes, he had vision, but I think people make way more noise about his/apples products than they are actaully worth in the grand scheme of thing, or how history in the long term will view them.
Maybe it's a comment on human society that the people we call "genius", "leaders" and "cultural Icons" are people that find way to sell old things to us in shiny boxes;
Hence my point about him not inventing anything - making a recording for the first time, sending a singal from one place to another, creating a form of mechanical propulsion, creating the first microchip or semiconductor.....those are things that truly change mankind. Repackaging a portable music device in to a nice looking product, with a bigger storage capacity and user friendly interface and software does not "break ground" to me in the grand scheme of things. I'm not against profit at all - you make something nice why not make money from it - his products deserve to make money because they work well and look nice, but again, I really don't think he actually changed much in the grand/historical sense of things. Just look at the way Steve Jobs, the "genius" was marketed to us as a genius, leader and visionary - it serves a purpose, and if anything Wozniak was the brighter of the two in terms of the actual technology and hardly anyone knows his name. Why? Becuase it serves a commercial purpose to the shareholders of Apple to have this visionary masthead. All major companies do this now.
You want to talk about technology explosion - how about Tim Berners Lee, invented the internet protocol and gave it away for free for everyone to use? That is true genius, without any compromise.
you love to post dont you
MelBeat
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Originally posted by turpentine
uh, it was jobs who championed the idea of using a mouse to click on graphical icons in order to perform actions on a computer. you don't think that changed much? the fact that you just clicked a graphic to execute a bunch of code in order to "reply" to this thread can be attributed to him. yeah, no big deal though, it's not like he invented the internet or anything. :rolleyes:
Wasn't that Xerox?
DJ RANN
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Originally posted by MelBeat
Wasn't that Xerox?
Bingo.
That's what I mean - Loads of people believing the overextended hype.
Xerox came up with it and he jumped on it. Same way that Bill gates bought (ed) they guy who created MS-DOS. Don't get me wrong, they had vision to spot they were the way forward but there's no invention or creation there.
I saw that interview with Woz live last night - there's no doubting they gave to each other - it's clear Woz could never be the face of a company that needed a dynamic and charismatic leader, that Jobs did so well.
