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| in2muzikk |
| One of the most significant contributions to society for me was the ability to travel halfway through a two-hour DJ mix in 5 seconds by spinning my finger on a wheel (and now even faster with a digital slider using the iPhone). The Walkman may have been great, but pressing the FFWD button for 20 minutes to do the same thing made my thumb hurt... |
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| jashic |
inventing technology is never enough. changing world behavior through better technology is the true genius. entire industries have been reshaped by jobs. the personal computer industry (introduced the graphical interface and a mouse). the all in one "just plug it in and it just works" personal computer, the music industry through the ipod and itunes, the phone industry through the iphone and app store, software program delivery through the app store, phone gaming completely destroying the PSP, Nintendo DS, newspaper industry, book industry and introducing the tablet to the world.
All this before he turned 57. 20 more years of Steve Jobs would have been better for the world. anyone doubting that is just plan ignorant. |
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| DaveT |
| I used a NeXT computer in high school. THe last model, I believe. Loved that damn thing. |
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| DJ RANN |
| quote: | Originally posted by jashic
inventing technology is never enough. changing world behavior through better technology is the true genius. entire industries have been reshaped by jobs. the personal computer industry (introduced the graphical interface and a mouse). the all in one "just plug it in and it just works" personal computer, the music industry through the ipod and itunes, the phone industry through the iphone and app store, software program delivery through the app store, phone gaming completely destroying the PSP, Nintendo DS, newspaper industry, book industry and introducing the tablet to the world.
All this before he turned 57. 20 more years of Steve Jobs would have been better for the world. anyone doubting that is just plan ignorant. |
That would be true if you were re-writing history through rose tinted glasses.
GUI's were invented by the military and were used on radar systems a good 20 years before Jobs even started apple. The Xerox brought it to personal computers. In fact they brought out three computers that all had GUI's, using icons/menus and a mouse. Jobs hired several people from Xerox and had they any sense they would have sued him for infringement on their proprietary designs.
As I said, the ipod was just the next generation's walkman - anyone old enough to remember them knows exactly what i'm talking about.
Mobile Phone? I give more props to Martin Cooper than I do apple. I had my first mobile phone in 1994, and motorola touchscreen smart phone in 2004, a good three years before the Iphone was even announced.
This aside, think what the internet did to "reshape" human behavior. And the combustion or steam engine. Or the storing of electricity in batteries. Or penecillin. Or the insulin pen. Or the printing press.
My point? Jobs was great at taking other's technology, slightly refining it but more importantly, marketing the out of it to mass consumer markets.
Moreso than anything I think jobs was a marketing pioneer - he, along with the marketing execs at apple, created a devout following of people who will buy their products no matter what, even if it was worse than offerings by the competition. There aren't really any other companies that can claim this, and certainly not on the scale that Apple can. Apple is a "how to" in terms of a branding excercise, and they knew how to make existing ideas/products appeal to people. Point in case; the Ipad. 10 years when tablets were launched, you couldn't give them away for free. The ipad does nothing that tablets couldn't do then (in fact they did more like have USB and replaceable parts).
All I'm saying is, the moment you have to go in to detail to explain what someone's contribution is, it fades away against true, life changing invention.
I'm actually sad to see someone that talented go, but let's be honest. He made products for profit. Stop being a sucker - He didn't make anyone's "life better", well maybe apart from charitable donations and employing a lot of people in China. |
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| rizo |
| quote: | Originally posted by DaveT
I used a NeXT computer in high school. THe last model, I believe. Loved that damn thing. |
:cool: i used it outside of high school along with early copies of redhat. did use irix/sgi in hs though :)
| quote: | Originally posted by jashic
inventing technology is never enough. changing world behavior through better technology is the true genius. entire industries have been reshaped by jobs. the personal computer industry (introduced the graphical interface and a mouse). the all in one "just plug it in and it just works" personal computer, the music industry through the ipod and itunes, the phone industry through the iphone and app store, software program delivery through the app store, phone gaming completely destroying the PSP, Nintendo DS, newspaper industry, book industry and introducing the tablet to the world. |
hahaahahaha steve jobs did his part but he stole most of it and trying to patent so many thing that they didnt come up with. hey there isnt a patent, lets patent it ourselves and profit. as steve jobs would say, "great artist steal".
itunes is still the worst pos music program. and seriously, i need an itunes account to use a phone!? jobs/apple turned into what they were against for in the 80s/big brother.
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RANN
My point? Jobs was great at taking other's technology, slightly refining it but more importantly, marketing the out of it to mass consumer markets. |
qft! |
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| DjWoody |
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| djjoshuaallen |
Steve Jobs is only the most successful business man of a generation. Not only did he build a company that changed the way personal computers are developed and marketed, but his presence alone spawned imense creativity and ingenuity from Apple executives.
The way in which he took the failing Apple Inc. and transformed it into the most valuable company in the world today in about a decade is a performance unmatched in recent times.
Its not easy to accumulate 6 billion in worth from the retail industry, and create perhaps the most profitable retail stores in the world. That doesnt come from "stealing" peoples ideas.
Not to shabby for a hippie from cali.
Why all the hate for a true american business success story? |
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| Sadface |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RANN
He didn't make anyone's "life better", well maybe apart from charitable donations and employing a lot of people in China. |
Arguing the societal value of invention versus innovation is a waste of time because it's a subjective judgement. Both are very important, and I can't say you're wrong about anything except for the quoted section. This is crap. Computers, operating systems, phones... they're big parts of everyone's lives today, and they're all in their current forms directly because of Steve Jobs' take on them. No matter how you slice it, he repeatedly made game-changing improvements to major technologies that we all benefit from every day.
I don't care if I had to pay for my iphone. I'm glad I did because it's a joy to use. It's made my life significantly better than a 2004 motorola could have. My next phone will be an Android, probably the Droid Prime. To ignore the iphone's influence on that phone, or any other modern smartphone, would be naive. We all get better phones today because of Steve Jobs. Same thing goes for computers, operating systems, etc. I consider that "making our lives better". |
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| DJ RANN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Sadface
Arguing the societal value of invention versus innovation is a waste of time because it's a subjective judgement. Both are very important, and I can't say you're wrong about anything except for the quoted section. This is crap. Computers, operating systems, phones... they're big parts of everyone's lives today, and they're all in their current forms directly because of Steve Jobs' take on them. No matter how you slice it, he repeatedly made game-changing improvements to major technologies that we all benefit from every day. I don't care if I had to pay for my iphone. I'm glad I did because it's a joy to use. It's made my life significantly better than a 2004 motorola could have.
My next phone will be an Android, probably the Droid Prime. To ignore the iphone's influence on that phone, or any other modern smartphone, would be naive. We all get better phones today because of Steve Jobs. Same thing goes for computers, operating systems, etc. I consider that "making our lives better". |
But this is where you're wrong.
Having a "sexier" phone hasn't made your life better; it's just increased your phone bills as you're forced to go with one carrier to have the coveted object. I can do more with my hacked HTC (which can run any one of three different OS's at the touch of a button) than you can on an iphone, and I pay way less in phone bills for the same, if not better service package. I get better battery life, more functionality and a way bigger screen. I still don't think it's enhanced my life though. Getting a mobile phone for the first time did though. Getting Data on a mobile did to some extent. Jobs didn't invent or create either of those concepts, did he?
I own an Imac - I love it. It's great, but it hasn't improved my life beyond what my last home built PC did. Sure it looks nicer, it's quiet, does what i need it to, but my life is no more enhanced than with another computer or PC.
All these items are a big part of our lives - I'm not at all denying this - but the improvements or refinements don't and haven't enhanced them - the marketing has led you to beleive it has, so you become loyal to that brand and consumption.
I'm not trying to be all Tyler Durden about this but if you take a step back and look at it objectively, you'll see the initial inventions were the things that made an impact to your life, not a new version of something that just does a bit more.
That's why I brought up the mobile phone - that concept of having a portable communication device is the real gamechanger - not the guy who talked you in to buying whatever the latest variation on a theme is the cool thing now (i.e a mobile phone that lets you play games).
You enjoy using your iphone. Somehow you lived without it once upon a time. The belief that it has somehow enhanced or made dramatic changes to your life beyond maybe a bit more fun or entertainment or an extra interesting feature to play with is more a statement that people need to reflect a little harder on what constitutes their quality of life.
As I said, I give him way more credit as a marketing guru and business man than I do a real innovator. I cannot think of one thing he actually created from scratch, but I can think of many things made by other people that he tweaked and sold to you making you think it's new.
Now that's genius. |
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| modthispny |
what's really surprising is all the people are talking on forums(esp. the chill out room)about steve jobs, making fun of him, meme's etc..
have a heart people, the man died and left a family behind him.
yea i know a lot of people die on a daily basis, but given his fame it's obviously going to be on the news.
sheez. :conf: |
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| Sadface |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RANN
Having a "sexier" phone hasn't made your life better; it's just increased your phone bills as you're forced to go with one carrier to have the coveted object. I can do more with my hacked HTC (which can run any one of three different OS's at the touch of a button) than you can on an iphone, and I pay way less in phone bills for the same, if not better service package. I get better battery life, more functionality and a way bigger screen. I still don't think it's enhanced my life though. Getting a mobile phone for the first time did though. Getting Data on a mobile did to some extent. Jobs didn't invent or create either of those concepts, did he?
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Dude, trying to make some htc vs iphone smartphone quality statement is ridiculous when the whole point of my argument is that the present state of the smartphone industry is entirely based off the innovative pressure initially provided by the iPhone. Trying to say something like "oh its not *that* much better than blah blah" is just wrong. It was SO much better than everything else that the entire industry transformed to match it.
You're trying to argue invention and nobody is disagreeing with you. Jobs wasn't an inventor, he was an innovator. The whole "oh this guy did more or less for this product" is missing the point. Was Steve Jobs the single best thing to ever happen to phones? No, but I'm not arguing that. I'm arguing that he made phones significantly better, just like he made computers significantly better back in the 80s. Microsoft didn't make Windows to keep up with Xerox, they made Windows to keep up with Macintosh. Think about that for a second. Mac OS redefined how we work with computers: devices used by billions of people every day. Everyone who uses a computer is being affected by the work Steve Jobs did in the early 80s. This isn't blind Apple fanboyism here, it's just being real.
You say i can't assess my quality of life objectively? I think *you* need to reflect a little harder about the society you live in, and try to imagine what it would be like without the influence Jobs has had on it over the past three decades. |
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