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best hardware synth for bass sounds around $500? (pg. 6)
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| DJ Robby Rox |
Yeh I can definitely notice the osc on my virus sound just a bit beefier and more rugged than say an osc from z3ta. But they also sound warmer and more round. While z3ta sounds colder and more abrasive/thin. However, time and time again bass from z3ta will sit better in a mix and come through clearer while with the virus it tends to "blend" in too much and not really poke through. I really just think its too warm for bass no idea wtf that means.
Than when I heard the osc on the pulse theres a huuge difference compared to the virus. I mean that was one of the first times I think I heard a simple saw osc with nothing done to it and was actually impressed by the sound. But I'm curious does the juno sound better? Is it denser sounding than the pulse? I've been saving money for a while now too did not plan on buying it till early december but would be good to hear what the more experienced ears have to say about that. |
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| Looney4Clooney |
the juno 106 sounds great but the pulse has the luxury of being analog yet having a digital interface. And 3 oscillators and just more mod capabilities. It is also alot newer more robust as it is a rack and not really used outside of the studio. .
I think the juno 60 siounded great but then you lose midi. and its old and hard to find one that works great.
The sh101 is a nice bass synth if you are going to get something old and cheap. PRobably get that over the juno but then you have to like the 60 worry about voltage gates and . |
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| Lolo |
| I know it sounds terribly dumb in first instance but have you tried a roland mc 505 or 808 or 307? You think I'm kidding but really, these roland groove things from 15 years ago really had something. |
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| madmuso |
| quote: | Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
i would not go so far to say you can't make bass. I even mentioned how you can do that cinema pulsing bass sound rather well but as an all out bass synth, I think you can agree it isn't really its forte.
HOnestly, it isn't hard to know if a synth will sound good for bass. Just listen to the pure oscillators without any FX or processing. If they sound full, ie just one oscillator , it will be good for bass. And of course the filter is important . SO mess with those two things. If they sound good, bass will sound good.
NI massive , i wouldn't really call a good synth for bass but for some reason , everyone is using it for that formant filter bass sound used in dubstep. It just so happens that the ossilators make a very fx processed bass possible but if you wanted a nice round pluck bass for trance, you would use something else.
The waldorf pulse is a tank. It is also analog. Monophonic but that is all you really need for bass. You could buy these for 400-600 about 8 years ago. Not sure if the price has stayed the same gone up or down. What i do know is that germans build things well.
And i have nothing against the jp 8080. It is a classic synth that defines trance. It is the trance machine. Dated but still. If you want to collect synths, everyone should have one. That was the holy trinity of the trance produer, The jp, the virus and the nord. Everyone had this trio. Almost every single arp lead for like a decade was either the jp or the nord mixed with the jp. I suppose later on the virus started making its way as the main sound source but the jp pluck sound is something no other synth really nailed, and that unmistakable dry pluck sound from the NR2 when mixed with the wet JP pluck , that is the sound you are hearing.
http://www.divshare.com/download/16014920-a4b
old track of mine.
lead is the 8080, + nord + virus. Pads virus and 8080, arp is 8080. Bass was 8080 and virus. |
I have also been using massive and korg legacy collection for bass sounds but I sometimes feel that vsti's sometimes become undone in certain ranges/octaves.
This question is off topic but when you have a lead sound made up of three sounds ( as you do ) what are you using as the master filter? Are you simply recording the three synth parts into your daw on seperate tracks then setting up a good filter plug (send and return) and using that for filter duties on the lead sound? |
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| atxbigballer1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lolo
I know it sounds terribly dumb in first instance but have you tried a roland mc 505 or 808 or 307? You think I'm kidding but really, these roland groove things from 15 years ago really had something. |
Wow Lolo you made my day by saying this, I have a Roland mc-505 / D2 Groovebox! |
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| Looney4Clooney |
| no surprise there |
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| mysticalninja |
| quote: | Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
have to disagree. Korg ossilators in their modelling synths sound rather thin. Listen to a pulse oscillator on the Blofeld. The saw on the virus sounds great. They all use wavetable synthesis in that even a sine wave is not a sine wave but a table with values that mimics a sine but for some reason, they just don't sound the same. |
I beg to differ my friend brought a blofeld over and the first thing we did was compare the OSC's to the virus and there is literally no way you could tell in a blind test.
| quote: | | quote: | | Originally posted by madmuso I have also been using massive and korg legacy collection for bass sounds but I sometimes feel that vsti's sometimes become undone in certain ranges/octaves. |
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forget certain ranges/octaves, using a real monopoly, polysix, or ms-20 will make you never want to touch the vsti's again. that being said i have a polysix and still use the vsti at times just because it's fast and easy. |
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| Sukhavati |
| quote: | Originally posted by madmuso
man this is tough, today I checked out vids on the juno 106, the mopho, and virus b, all are very nice, they didnt fail to impress in the bass department. I have to find a decent vid on the waldorf. Im starting to think that maybe getting something like the virus b or mopho instead of the juno may be a better option as far as reliability, parts, etc, goes? |
As a former 106 owner, I have to agree somewhat with the reliability aspect. I had several issues over the years with mine, mostly buttons being unresponsive when pressed. That was probably just an issue with the contacts needing cleaning, but I had my Juno-6 which I usually used instead. There was an issue that people sometimes had with one of the voices going out. I never had this problem myself.
If you're looking vintage, you might see if you can find a Sequential Circuits Split-8. They have a reputation for being thin, but I find the bass you can produce on them is very clean. The interface takes some getting used to, because unlike the 106 not every parameter had a knob. You have to select the parameter first and then modify it. I bought it specifically for bass, and it was mainly what I used until I bought my nords.
Personally, I like the way Nords handle bass, but not everyone does so you probably have to compare it for yourself. From a reliability aspect I've never had a problem with either the nords or the virus. I own a virus b and other than wanting more onboard memory for program storage I've been happy with it. I use it mainly for pads and atmospheric sounds, but it can do some nice bass, however as I said I prefer to use my nords for bass.
I'm just going to throw this one out there...about 10 or so years ago Novation made a synth called the "Bassstation." I've never owned one, and I find the quality of the knobs and buttons from old Novations wasn't quite up to my standards for a new piece of gear, however second hand I'd probably consider one. They were under 500 then, so by now I'm sure they're "cheap as chips" as the Brits say. |
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| orTofønChiLd |
| quote: | Originally posted by mysticalninja
I beg to differ my friend brought a blofeld over and the first thing we did was compare the OSC's to the virus and there is literally no way you could tell in a blind test.
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we'll see if your right about this. Will do a test on the TI and the blofeld when it comes |
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| madmuso |
| quote: | Originally posted by Sukhavati
As a former 106 owner, I have to agree somewhat with the reliability aspect. I had several issues over the years with mine, mostly buttons being unresponsive when pressed. That was probably just an issue with the contacts needing cleaning, but I had my Juno-6 which I usually used instead. There was an issue that people sometimes had with one of the voices going out. I never had this problem myself.
If you're looking vintage, you might see if you can find a Sequential Circuits Split-8. They have a reputation for being thin, but I find the bass you can produce on them is very clean. The interface takes some getting used to, because unlike the 106 not every parameter had a knob. You have to select the parameter first and then modify it. I bought it specifically for bass, and it was mainly what I used until I bought my nords.
Personally, I like the way Nords handle bass, but not everyone does so you probably have to compare it for yourself. From a reliability aspect I've never had a problem with either the nords or the virus. I own a virus b and other than wanting more onboard memory for program storage I've been happy with it. I use it mainly for pads and atmospheric sounds, but it can do some nice bass, however as I said I prefer to use my nords for bass.
I'm just going to throw this one out there...about 10 or so years ago Novation made a synth called the "Bassstation." I've never owned one, and I find the quality of the knobs and buttons from old Novations wasn't quite up to my standards for a new piece of gear, however second hand I'd probably consider one. They were under 500 then, so by now I'm sure they're "cheap as chips" as the Brits say. |
As a piano/keyboard player for over 20 years I know what you mean about not wanting to use the vsti's after playing the old stuff.
I just find that I am more inspired and can come up with sounds more quickly when I have a keyboard in front of me, especialy if it has knobs and sliders.
I have had a look on ebay, cant seem to find a waldorf pulse. I will check out the nord, is there any particular model I should check out?
thanks, |
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| Lolo |
| if you can find one in good shape, the roland JD800 is very inspring, and has tons of sliders. It's been my dream synth for years and years. |
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| madmuso |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lolo
if you can find one in good shape, the roland JD800 is very inspring, and has tons of sliders. It's been my dream synth for years and years. |
yeah they are nice, a very good friend of mine has one, its been so long since he has played it that the contacts are starting to give him trouble. I've been thinking to ask if he'll let me borrow it for a while just to check it out, maybe sample a few things from it too. |
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