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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by Beatflux
This is Tranceaddict, so its completely fair to assume its trance. It's no different than if you went to a DnB forum, or Dubstep forum. |
This may come as a shock to you, but there are a lot of different kinds of trance and many different kinds of trance breakdown. And this may be even more of a shock, but I really love trance.
| quote: | Originally posted by Kysora
You also weren't being very general, you clearly made it seem like uplifting-style breakdowns (which I'll go ahead and assume you hate, which further explains why beatflux said what he said) are a bad idea unless they're rhythmless or don't introduce a main melody, despite those two things being defining characteristics of the genre.
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Right, because only uplifting trance has snare rolls, rhythmless interludes and introduces big melodies in breakdowns. You never find those things in any other genre, correct? Oh wait, those things have been widely used in dance music since the early '90s and probably before, and were played out and manipulative before "uplifting trance" even existed.
Again, I didn't even mention trance, let alone uplifting trance in my original post, even though I mentioned several other genres. You are both projecting violently. This is entirely about your personal tastes, and nothing to do with whether I've given good or suitable advice to the OP. |
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| Looney4Clooney |
| Breakdowns are governed by the rest of the track. If you aren't writing the headlining track of a set, the type of tracks everyone cans and a breakdown will accentuate the main drop. well I guess you need to think about why you are doing a breakdown. There is really no point in having something that is filler, a big breakdown then more filler. |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
Breakdowns are governed by the rest of the track. If you aren't writing the headlining track of a set, the type of tracks everyone cans and a breakdown will accentuate the main drop. well I guess you need to think about why you are doing a breakdown. There is really no point in having something that is filler, a big breakdown then more filler. |
Sadly many producers, and a lot of DJs, seem to think that every track should be a peak-time mega anthem. "Structure is more or less set in stone"... |
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| Beatflux |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
Sadly many producers, and a lot of DJs, seem to think that every track should be a peak-time mega anthem. "Structure is more or less set in stone"... |
Are you trying to troll? If you don't produce, what are you doing here anyways? |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| Discussing what makes an interesting breakdown. |
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| EddieZilker |
| quote: | Originally posted by Beatflux
If you don't produce, what are you doing here anyways? |
A better question is, what are you doing here if you are so challenged by a point of view that you have to resort to asinine territorial conjecture? |
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| orTofønChiLd |
| wutt does that mean :toothless |
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| Kysora |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
Right, because only uplifting trance has snare rolls, rhythmless interludes and introduces big melodies in breakdowns. |
no, but it is the typical genre that so many people here hate for usually having "a "big dramatic mid-track breakdown" thing". You've also called the style "music for the emotionally pre-pubescent" in the past, so excuse me for delving a little bit into the subtext behind what you said. |
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| SYSTEM-J |
In other words, I am exactly right and your complaints have got nothing to do with the validity of what I said and everything to do with perceived slights on your personal taste. Trust me, almost every genre has big, predictable breakdowns: drum 'n bass and dubstep are packed full of them, progressive house has loads, big room mainstream house frequently resorts to them, tech house is far from guilt-free. The only real difference is what happens at the end: in trance and progressive you get a snare roll and a melodic crescendo, in dubstep/drum 'n bass the melody cuts out and stupid filthy bass comes in, in tech house there's a big white noise wash and the beat resets. Notably, you didn't give the slightest when I criticised all those other genres before (even though I didn't actually name trance at all), because they don't feature in your tastes.
So yes, actually, I was being very generalised and it's only your fragile little ego that assumes otherwise. Based on the information given in the OP there is nothing specified about what music the OP is trying to make, whether it's a particular type of trance or something else, and my advice deals with what I genuinely believe to be irritating and over-used techniques in a wide variety of popular genres. And I am well within my rights to give my opinion on this matter, and anyone is free to heed or ignore it as they see fit. But then, I'd expect two guys who don't go to clubs and don't DJ to question the input of someone who does both. Because the opinions of clubbers and DJs is never relevant to producers, is it? |
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| Looney4Clooney |
djs opinions on production are valid for obvious reasons. In a way , and this is not always a good thing but more worthwhile than a producer. I suppose that is how the world works. Editors publish books, not writers. Producers/directors greenlight mockups without knowing a thing about music. If a focus group comprising of people that know nothing about music say they thought the music wasn't hanz zimmer enough and was weird, well their opinion means more than a bunch of phds who are right but irrelevent. Life is unfair.
djs are musical idiots but they are essential to the whole machine. Dance music without a club or sweaty jock rapist gym guys lifting lead is pointless music. |
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| Kysora |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
In other words, I am exactly right and your complaints have got nothing to do with the validity of what I said and everything to do with perceived slights on your personal taste. |
actually it just had everything to do with your initial advice being barely helpful at best, and your defensive attack towards beatflux when he made a valid comment about it.
this doesn't really have much to do with my ego, in fact you're the one who vehemently refuses to acknowledge your advice is anything less than brilliant. I wouldn't have even said anything if you didn't react to beatflux's post the way you did. but, whatever, this argument is getting kind of dumb. |
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| MSZ |
| creativity knows no bounds, no ones is going to teach you it, maybe some enabling techniques the do i know, anyway, the op seems to be struggling with producing in general and not just the breakdown. you have to take babysteps and learn how to build blocks before you make that lego striphouse with the lego babes dancing, you know what i mean, or was i the only one with the fuked up childhood? start small, learn synth properties and effects. |
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