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The almost predictable death of the Mac Pro line? (pg. 2)
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| tehlord |
I totally agree, I'm just illustrating the point of the average end user that isn't running a professional studio.
Would I personally like to have a Mac Pro? Of course I would, but it'll never happen as I don't need it that bad.
All the added features you correctly point out are mostly irrelevant for the mass market that aren't buying Mac Pros. |
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| Looney4Clooney |
i think it is just the concept of a desktop. I like having a box. The imac is just too hmmm, how will I cut my zuchinni, ohh kittens, i will just check my widget and omg, i am missing gossip girl. Common Todd, its starting. Well ok richie, but only if we can watch a rerun of Kell on Earth. I love you Todd. I love you Richie. kiss.
Ha .
you just read a gay romance narrative. Fags. |
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| DJ Robby Rox |
One would definitely presume you to be good at that. :tongue3
writing gay romance that is. |
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| Fledz |
When I said virtually non-existent, it was implied that of course there were still plenty in pro-grade but not really in consumer which is where the money is. You think giant corporations give a about their long term customers? They do but only to a degree. It's a line that isn't selling well in the consumer market, so I can see the rumours flying about a cut.
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RANN
I mean just open up a mac pro and look at the quality of the materials and even how ing advanced just the case is. Now try to buy a PC case that matches that and you're parting with serious money. In fact all the expensive PC cases I've ever seen are all those LED laden gamer cases that look like souped up honda civics (i.e. lame).
With mac, and especially the mac pros, you're not getting great value in terms of processing, but if your criteria is in terms of design, stability, never having to worry about the thing again; then mac pros are excellent value.
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Not really. There are plenty of great quality cases made from aluminium and sound-proofing is easily done. I have a Lian-Li case at the moment that has extremely good build quality and customisability, for only a couple of hundred bucks. Had I wanted a silent case, that would not have been an issue to find a good one. Also looks? What? The Mac Pros are ing horrendous!
The parts? They are all the same, same factories same everything. Where have you been living over the last decade? It's just that Apple charges you a premium for absolutely no reason other than they can. Stability comes primarily from OSX, not from the parts. The only advantage Apple has is the low amount of different configurations which makes it easier to code a more stable OS.
As has been said, Laptops are where Apple is strong and it's their bread and butter. Their desktops are becoming obsolete in the grand scheme of things. |
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| DJ RANN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fledz
When I said virtually non-existent, it was implied that of course there were still plenty in pro-grade but not really in consumer which is where the money is. You think giant corporations give a about their long term customers? They do but only to a degree. It's a line that isn't selling well in the consumer market, so I can see the rumours flying about a cut.
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Corporations do and they don't - it specifically depends on their business model. Some brands make products with an emphasis on longevity, and a premium is worked in to the sale price. I believe this to be a factor with the mac pros (and to some extent with most of the higher priced macs) as nearly every person and business I know hangs on to them longer than they do other computers or electronics. This is reinforced by the fact Apple puts a fair effort in to maintaining legacy compatibility (technology allowing, like the G5 to intel jump) and that the more expensive Apple products are built to, and use materials, that last.
| quote: | Originally posted by Fledz
Not really. There are plenty of great quality cases made from aluminium and sound-proofing is easily done. I have a Lian-Li case at the moment that has extremely good build quality and customisability, for only a couple of hundred bucks. Had I wanted a silent case, that would not have been an issue to find a good one. Also looks? What? The Mac Pros are ing horrendous!
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I hear this all the time but it's just not true IMO. The cases just look tinny and cheap with gay LEDs or try to do the monolith look like matt black surfaces. Not original or particularly good looking.
Even that said, just look at the new Lian Li XBOX case - it's a low rent, tacky rip off of the Mac pro made out of cheap materials.
Who said anything about silent case? The mac pro happen to be very quiet but the thing has vents all over it so it's not a design factor as such. And yes, seeing I used to Manage Carillon Computers, the first commercially available silent/Audio PC brand, I am aware that silent cases exist :rolleyes:
| quote: | Originally posted by Fledz
The parts? They are all the same, same factories same everything. Where have you been living over the last decade? It's just that Apple charges you a premium for absolutely no reason other than they can. Stability comes primarily from OSX, not from the parts. The only advantage Apple has is the low amount of different configurations which makes it easier to code a more stable OS.
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But this is where your logic is wrong - with Mac, you can't separate the OS from the Hardware. That's the entire point with apple.
The components may be the same, but the stability come from the fact the OS only has to factor a very small range of specifically chosen components, and does not have to be all things to all manufacturers at once, like with windows. Essentially the chances for conflicts, either between hardware and hardware and/or software is massively reduced as they are building for the their choice of hardware and software at the same time. That's why macs are more stable.
I already said that if this was like for like (windows for windows) then it's a completely different story, but all apple products are made for a integrated user interface and hardware experience. If you don't get that then you really don't understand their business model or products at all.
| quote: | Originally posted by Fledz
As has been said, Laptops are where Apple is strong and it's their bread and butter. Their desktops are becoming obsolete in the grand scheme of things. |
I agree, and I've always said that the Mac Pros are the worst value product in terms of performance vs cost that apple make.
With laptops becoming as powerful as desktops and small form factor drives becoming larger, there's less and less need for desktops as a concept. Even if you want a desktop based computer with a larger screen you can always add another screen or get an Imac (conversely the best value Mac that apple sell). |
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| Looney4Clooney |
my lian li case was 400 bucks. Maybe they started making but they once where good. My case is black aluminum with a layer of sound insulating space polymer or something. Altho to be honest, the Mac Pro case is a work of art. I mean the interior is just so nice and perdy.
I'm ing sick of tigers and lions. Honestly, they need to stop with the cats and go with predator birds. Or sharks. Put a lion and a shark in a big pool and the shark will kick its ass. I mean they go Tiger which is the coolest one then leopard , which i mean ok snow leopards are pretty cool but then lion which is a step down. Lions just sound soft. Although to be honest, given what i've seen from lion , they should of called it gay ass blue jay that forgot to migrate and is going to freeze to death. |
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| Timothy |
| quote: | Originally posted by tehlord
Something else I was thinking as well, is that if they stop producing machines that studios will use then what's going to happen to Logic? I can't imagine people who buy iMacs and iPads are going to buy it in any great numbers so I suspect it's the nail in the coffin for that too. |
The advantage the Mac Pro had over the iMac was expandability. Thunderbolt has just removed that advantage the Mac Pro has. Unless you're a composer for hollywood films who needs at least 40gb+ DDR3 Ram, 4 x SSD in Raid 0 with 5+ displays, an iMac is more than enough, especially since an iMac is faster than a 8-core Mac Pro.
You'd be surprised about what the iPad can do. You can actually make music with it. Maybe in the future we're going to see Logic on the iPad too, just like Garageband. |
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| tehlord |
| quote: | Originally posted by Timothy
The advantage the Mac Pro had over the iMac was expandability. Thunderbolt has just removed that advantage the Mac Pro has. Unless you're a composer for hollywood films who needs at least 40gb+ DDR3 Ram, 4 x SSD in Raid 0 with 5+ displays, an iMac is more than enough, especially since an iMac is faster than a 8-core Mac Pro.
You'd be surprised about what the iPad can do. You can actually make music with it. Maybe in the future we're going to see Logic on the iPad too, just like Garageband. |
I was just looking at the Thunderbolt setups oddly.
You can grab a 13" MBP with a 128GB SSD and i7, a Thunderbolt 27" docking display and a Thunderbolt 4TB storage bay for about £3k.
That's pretty tempting. |
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| dj_alfi |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fledz
If Apple allowed the use of OSX on non-Apple hardware, not one of these things would sell. Not one.
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If they allowed the use of OSX on non-Apple hardware, not one of those machines would work. Not one. |
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| dj_alfi |
| I read on one of the sub-forums in an underground producers forum about one of the major DAWs are going Linux. Logic for Linux certainly has a nice ring to it. |
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| dj_alfi |
| quote: | Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
I'm ing sick of tigers and lions. Honestly, they need to stop with the cats and go with predator birds. Or sharks. Put a lion and a shark in a big pool and the shark will kick its ass. I mean they go Tiger which is the coolest one then leopard , which i mean ok snow leopards are pretty cool but then lion which is a step down. Lions just sound soft. Although to be honest, given what i've seen from lion , they should of called it gay ass blue jay that forgot to migrate and is going to freeze to death. |
So not the time to try and convert you to Ubuntuism then?
Ubuntu 11.10 - Oneiric Ocelot |
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| Storyteller |
| quote: | Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
I'm ing sick of tigers and lions. Honestly, they need to stop with the cats and go with predator birds. Or sharks. Put a lion and a shark in a big pool and the shark will kick its ass. I mean they go Tiger which is the coolest one then leopard , which i mean ok snow leopards are pretty cool but then lion which is a step down. Lions just sound soft. Although to be honest, given what i've seen from lion , they should of called it gay ass blue jay that forgot to migrate and is going to freeze to death. |
I propose to turn the lion example the other way around. Put the shark in the savanna.
Or you can always look out your windows :clown: |
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