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| fantasyexctasy |
| quote: | Originally posted by Brandt Slater
Then you shouldn't have a problem getting a job then. So why bitch about it. Oh and FYI, I'm 37 and have been working since 14. Battle of intellect??? Are we in debate class now. |
I'm about to turn 25 so you haven't been working longer than I've been alive. As for not being able to get a job now, have you been watching the news at all the past 3 years? Are you really that naive? |
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| Brandt Slater |
| quote: | Originally posted by fantasyexctasy
I'm about to turn 25 so you haven't been working longer than I've been alive. As for not being able to get a job now, have you been watching the news at all the past 3 years? Are you really that naive? |
Yes I'm well aware of what's going on, but now my question. If you were working in the OR why leave it? |
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| fantasyexctasy |
| quote: | Originally posted by Brandt Slater
Yes I'm well aware of what's going on, but now my question. If you were working in the OR why leave it? |
If you've ever worked in the OR, you would know there are egos in there bigger than God himself. I got tired of dealing with the attitudes and the pay wasn't worth it. Plus having to wake up at 445 AM everyday and work every other weekend wasn't worth the headache. Nurses are byfar one of the most under appreciated professions out there. You are basically the doctor's whipping post when they up, especially when you are scrubbed into each case and having to see first hand how careless they are with the patients |
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| LAdazeNYnights |
i'm not gonna read through all the mumbo-jumo in this thread but the fact of the matter is this-
young ppl are not finding jobs like they used to and income inequality is growing. finding a job with full/ample health care benefits today is more difficult to do with a college diploma than it was 20 years ago with nothing more than a high school graduating certificate.
i agree that this IS the start of something much bigger.
ppl are throwing around 'we are the 99 percent'. oh yeah? then we shouldn't have any problem electing ppl who 100 percent support our beliefs. but that's obviously not the case, as the US is a democracy in name only. |
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| Brandt Slater |
| quote: | Originally posted by fantasyexctasy
If you've ever worked in the OR, you would know there are egos in there bigger than God himself. I got tired of dealing with the attitudes and the pay wasn't worth it. Plus having to wake up at 445 AM everyday and work every other weekend wasn't worth the headache. Nurses are byfar one of the most under appreciated professions out there. You are basically the doctor's whipping post when they up, especially when you are scrubbed into each case and having to see first hand how careless they are with the patients |
Never worked in the OR, but I do work in the music business. Egos, and attitudes go hand in hand within this line of work. Especially when your the sound guy. You're the bitch. If something goes wrong regardless if it's your fault or not you're the one they yell at.
Anyways the point I was making is, why not rough it out until your schooling is over and can land the next job. You said your degree is in accounting correct? Tax season is right around the corner, and I always see places hiring. |
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| Brandt Slater |
| quote: | Originally posted by LAdazeNYnights
i'm not gonna read through all the mumbo-jumo in this thread but the fact of the matter is this-
young ppl are not finding jobs like they used to and income inequality is growing. finding a job with full/ample health care benefits today is more difficult to do with a college diploma than it was 20 years ago with nothing more than a high school graduating certificate.
i agree that this IS the start of something much bigger.
ppl are throwing around 'we are the 99 percent'. oh yeah? then we shouldn't have any problem electing ppl who 100 percent support our beliefs. but that's obviously not the case, as the US is a democracy in name only. |
I agree with pretty much everything you said, however, one problem I always encounter with some younger people is they come into a interview with this big ego. Demanding top rate pay for something they haven't done outside of school. The other issue I have are the compulsive liars who walk into interview and claiming they can do all this stuff that's printed on their resume, then when I put them in the field, they have no clue of what's going on. Which doesn't look good to our clients.
I too agree on the something bigger part, but it needs some organization first.
The hard part about the elected officials is almost all them are persuaded by dollar signs which clouds the vision to the people who put them there in the first place. |
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| LAdazeNYnights |
^see i totally agree with you there. but i don't think the main issue is that people go to interviews and think that they deserve more than they are capable of producing. i think that's simply endemic of the way things are in this system.
i read in the wsj (i think this was 2 weekends ago, maybe 3. pretty sure it was a sat-sun paper tho) a big opinion-type feature advocating a return of office training. basically noting that while many corporations are citing an lack of necessary experience as the main reason for their inability to hire new many applicants, the same corporations have much less on-the-job training programs than they used to. instead of bringing on qualified applicants and training them to do the job, companies are looking for ppl who have done the exact job already and are therefore capable of doing it with no training. |
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| Brandt Slater |
| quote: | Originally posted by LAdazeNYnights
^see i totally agree with you there. but i don't think the main issue is that people go to interviews and think that they deserve more than they are capable of producing. i think that's simply endemic of the way things are in this system.
i read in the wsj (i think this was 2 weekends ago, maybe 3. pretty sure it was a sat-sun paper tho) a big opinion-type feature advocating a return of office training. basically noting that while many corporations are citing an lack of necessary experience as the main reason for their inability to hire new many applicants, the same corporations have much less on-the-job training programs than they used to. instead of bringing on qualified applicants and training them to do the job, companies are looking for ppl who have done the exact job already and are therefore capable of doing it with no training. |
I don't think that's the main issue either, but sometimes I do get these type in the interview room who just think their the audio god's or something. I work for Clair Bros, so we have to know who we are hiring, and what their strong points are and their weaknesses.
I do agree they need to bring back the training again, so that they can hire fresh blood. I would think for a business it would be in their best interests do practice this again. At least it would save them on payroll. Know what mean. Instead of hiring folks that would demand a six figure salary, a corporation could save some of that money and put it to training, while using the rest of it to pay the younger employees. |
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| jonmitz |
| quote: | Originally posted by iLLiE586
It’s all about who you know and what you have to back up what you say you can do. There are some jobs out there that will throw your resume out the second they look at it if you don't at least have a bachelor. And to be honest, these days you have to get a masters if you're doing the college route.
I do not agree with a bunch of poor people complaining and blaming other people for the reason that their lives suck. They have the same opportunity as everyone else; they just did not make the right choices through life. It is as simple as that.
Giant corporations that need to pay the proper taxes, that is easily agreeable. However, the rest of these ing idiots can maybe start by moving out of the most expensive areas to live or rent, and stop getting a mortgage on houses they can't afford, that is out of their pay grades. In addition, just get an average entry-level job that is decent enough to pay the bills and live. You can work up from there. It is definitely a lot better than sitting in some park like a ing bum. |
are you ing retarded? i dont even know where the to start here. did you look at a single graph or image i posted? do you have any ing clue about the level of income equality in this country? the american dream is a ing joke, something like ~10% of people that are born into the bottom quintile are able to move to the second quintile, and that is typically only for as long as they are in the work force at a o=job they have been at for a while (maybe say ages 30-65), once they retire they fall back into the bottom quintile. I've read studies on this but I can't provide you with a link (you can probably easily google it: studies on class mobility)
| quote: | Originally posted by iLLiE586
And everything you just said was a perfect example of poor choices you made. You choose to take a job that only has a major opportunity in San Fransisco (One of the highest rent in the US) and you choose to take that mortgage. Everything is your own fault. Thanks for being a perfect example and proving my point. |
Fantasy already replied with an appropriate response to this.
| quote: | Originally posted by Brandt Slater
First off, I don't have a degree and I started working in studios right after high school and I have made a great career in the studios which led me to working for the largest sound reinforcement company in the world. I got those gigs because I worked for it. Maybe your cousins got those jobs because they hustled for them and didn't sit on some couch and let the firms come to them. Quite honestly you're the one who sounds stupid. All I'm giving you is some advice. Take it for what it's worth. Did you just graduate high school or something? Do you think your smarter than someone who's been in the workforce longer than you've been alive? |
My brother has a college degree in audio engineering and has been working at both fantasy studios and another studio as an unpaid intern. when his internship ran up they told him he'd have to go even though he was doing great work (they started with 4 interns and got rid of the other 3)
Anecdotal, but the point is your experience of entering the work place 23 years ago? get ing real, holy . do you even read the news? did you look at any graph i posted? the economy was in GREAT shape 23 years go. I would laugh my ass off if you lost your job right now and tried to find a different one (you wouldnt be able to, but keep thinking you are some kind of special apple)
| quote: | Originally posted by Brandt Slater
@Fantasy
Just because you have a college degree doesn't guarantee you work right out of school. You still have to prove to a company why they should hire you over the next guy. Because of this, sometimes you have to take the jobs before the real ones happen. It's been like that for years. Think about it. Lets say someone is looking to become a full time doctor, how long do you think most of them have to intern, or become the resident bitch before they move up the ranks? Everyone has to pay their dues. My first studio internship consisted of cleaning toilets, vacuuming carpets, running for food, run errands, and whatever else for no pay. It was like that for about a year until they gave me a shot as an assistant engineer. Just keep fighting, show them you want it.
Not trying to rain on your parade here, but the problem I see with this movement is there's no established leader and no clean cut description of what you're protesting. How do you think those you are protesting are gonna take you seriously. I mean, if it's about wall street, or corporate greed, then that's what everyone should be protesting. Don't bring in the war crap, or any other crap that doesn't pertain. Stick to one issue first. I saw the one in Long Beach and I actually had to stop and laugh. Every protest sign had some other form of issue on it. I think I saw one about Micheal Jackson's doctor trial. Here's something to think about. This government has a hard enough time figuring out one issue, now you want to throw twenty more on them.
Hopefully your movement has DC on the list, because they're part of all the problems too. Wall street, corporations, banks, government are all best friends. |
1. You dont have a college degree. Do you think that in America, where corporate profits and CEO pay is up in the range of ~300% but job hiring is essentially zero (I'm excluding October, there were quite a few jobs created in October), that kids who are getting out of COLLEGE WITH A DEGREE should not assume they are going to get a job? Also you're basically saying "accept it because it's the status quo", get ing real. There is no reason other than corporate greed that people are having trouble finding jobs. There is plenty of money running in the corporate coffers to create enough jobs for almost everyone (a small amount of unemployment is always good for the economy).
2. The reason you were cleaning toilets is because you were uneducated working in a technical, learned, and specialized field.
3. Actually this is the reason that the movement is doing so well. Mainstream media (which is controlled by something like 5 major corporations), doesn't know how they can shutdown the movement on the air. They air wallstreet and dont know how to handwaive all of their demands into thin air, they cant. What they are doing is correct. The people in charge of OWS are much smarter than you, so try to think twice before you criticize what they are doing without a valid reason.
4. We can agree here. You forgot BigPharma, though :P
| quote: | Originally posted by Brandt Slater
Then you shouldn't have a problem getting a job then. So why bitch about it. Oh and FYI, I'm 37 and have been working since 14. Battle of intellect??? Are we in debate class now. |
Look at the graphs for how the economy was 23 years ago and then compare it to now, and then make this argument again
e: sorry if my tone is angry or negative, I can't help it. Everything about this makes me raging mad, this country |
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| iLLiE586 |
| quote: | | are you ing retarded? i dont even know where the to start here. did you look at a single graph or image i posted? do you have any ing clue about the level of income equality in this country? the american dream is a ing joke, something like ~10% of people that are born into the bottom quintile are able to move to the second quintile, and that is typically only for as long as they are in the work force at a o=job they have been at for a while (maybe say ages 30-65), once they retire they fall back into the bottom quintile. I've read studies on this but I can't provide you with a link (you can probably easily google it: studies on class mobility) |
And once again that is no one’s fault but their own. No one is responsible for your mistakes in life. I know it's impossible for you 99% ing retards to grasp that concept, so continue thinking you have some great movement, but in the end you will just end up as a giant failure, because that's obviously the only thing you're good at. |
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| fantasyexctasy |
| quote: | Originally posted by iLLiE586
And once again that is no one’s fault but their own. No one is responsible for your mistakes in life. I know it's impossible for you 99% ing retards to grasp that concept, so continue thinking you have some great movement, but in the end you will just end up as a giant failure, because that's obviously the only thing you're good at. |
I hope you get laid off just to prove to you how out of touch with reality and ignorant you are |
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| jonmitz |
| quote: | Originally posted by iLLiE586
And once again that is no one’s fault but their own. No one is responsible for your mistakes in life. I know it's impossible for you 99% ing retards to grasp that concept, so continue thinking you have some great movement, but in the end you will just end up as a giant failure, because that's obviously the only thing you're good at. |
lol
I'm an engineer in the space industry. I'm smart enough to comprehend why zero class mobility, wage slavery, and corporate lobbying is ing up the coRuntry. You are such a joke, kid.
Go back and look at some of the graphs I posted you ignoramus.
Then kill yourself |
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