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How does Sven Vath do his 20 second blends? (pg. 3)
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| srussell0018 |
| quote: | Originally posted by MSZ
false, dweeb. |
u 'mirin? |
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| dj christian |
| quote: | Originally posted by p/ozz
what does Mark Oliver have to do with Sven Vath, and secondly: when has Mark Oliver ever been good except in the 80s and 90s?
thirdly, if you are talking about Mark Oliver's ability behind the vinyl spinners, then it's because he plays the same sets every goddamn night, track for track.
5-10 years ago effects were da bomb and everyone was getting out of vinyl into this EFX unit & CDJ & laptop direction. the reason was because straight 2-deck action was boring and repetitive. a strange comment in a strange time. |
EFX-unit is okay but laptop makes me ing puke! There's so much you can do with 2-deck vinyldecks that the laptop guys just would dream about and can't do on a laptop |
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| Sand Leaper |
| quote: | Originally posted by Guest
Looks like you pretend as if this were html parser and you could close the thread just by merely suggesting that this man's comment was sufficient explanation. Turns out this thread is above these types of messageboard schennaninganery |
It clearly was sufficient explanation for several people in this thread. You're just too busy looking at beatmatching transitions to see the bigger picture.
The reason Sven Väth gets away with sub-par mixing is simply that the crowd is so invested in his personality as dance music celebrity/party animal, and that Sven has his own affinity for the tunes he plays and a dancefloor's energy where smooth mixing isn't strictly necessary for him to keep it going. |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| My word, this thread is ing awful. |
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| Guest |
| quote: | Originally posted by Sand Leaper
The reason Sven Väth gets away with sub-par mixing is simply that the crowd is so invested in his personality as dance music celebrity/party animal, and that Sven has his own affinity for the tunes he plays and a dancefloor's energy where smooth mixing isn't strictly necessary for him to keep it going. |
This was a very insightful comment and exactly the type of thing I was hoping to discuss in this thread. I always have been of the opinion that the greatest DJ's would take a given track, apply it to a knowledgeable crowd, and make the track into an event in and of itself.
Rather than feeling to be compelled to be a mechanical flawless mixer, the best dj's are not afraid to let the music stop (literally). They have a sense for how to create "oh !" moments on the dancefloor.
I fully appreciate the dj who keeps to himself and brings unrelenting momentum, but my hat goes off to the guy who can take a track, and make it his signature track, just by the excitement spawned from the dj interacting with the dancefloor. |
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| Quazar |
I saw him earlier this year and he started out awesome (even went on early to please the crowd, he was pretty psyched so many people showed up on a Monday), but by the end of his set he was completely hammered drunk and his mixing was pretty awful. The promoter was also completely hammered and kept getting on the mic talking about how awesome Sven Vath is.
All in all, it was a fun night, but that last hour kinda irked me (It was only 4am-5am that was iffy, midnight-4am was excellent). Of course, I didn't know much about his persona at the time, so maybe that's why. I wasn't really expecting that result from a "First LA gig in 5 years!" party. |
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| stevö |
| its not because of his reputation or because the crowd is knowledgeable or making the tracks an event etc etc. its because when you pick the right track to come next, long blends are not needed. he just has a really good ear for good tracks and a really good ear for what track should come next. i wish more djs did it like he does. he like, plays almost the whole track, letting it die out as the new one comes in, sort of letting the tracks do the work of mixing instead of the dj, the intro over outro kind of thing. so, no, i dont think he's getting away with anything, he's just doing a really good job as a dj. not a beatmatcher, but a dj. |
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| Sand Leaper |
| quote: | Originally posted by stevö
its not because of his reputation or because the crowd is knowledgeable or making the tracks an event etc etc. its because when you pick the right track to come next, long blends are not needed. he just has a really good ear for good tracks and a really good ear for what track should come next. i wish more djs did it like he does. he like, plays almost the whole track, letting it die out as the new one comes in, sort of letting the tracks do the work of mixing instead of the dj, the intro over outro kind of thing. so, no, i dont think he's getting away with anything, he's just doing a really good job as a dj. not a beatmatcher, but a dj. |
If Sven did not have the eccentric personality and cult following he has, there is no way he would get away with the kind of antics he pulls off on a regular basis, and the subsequent detriment they are to his mixing.
It's no secret that Sven has never been able to compare himself to guys like Ben Sims or Jeff Mills in regards to technical skill as far as techno goes, but that he always compensated for this by knowing a dancefloor like the back of his own hand, as he had been a very active clubber/dancer for years in Dorian Gray before making a career out of dance music. This creates a perceived bond between himself and the dancefloor as the same kind of "party animals".
Combine these aspects, and you have the key to why Sven can spaz out on stage and get away with simply throwing the crossfader. It also helps that the last ten years in dance music have increasingly turned the DJ into a rock star. |
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| Guest |
| quote: | Originally posted by Sand Leaper
If Sven did not have the eccentric personality and cult following he has, there is no way he would get away with the kind of antics he pulls off on a regular basis, and the subsequent detriment they are to his mixing.
It's no secret that Sven has never been able to compare himself to guys like Ben Sims or Jeff Mills in regards to technical skill as far as techno goes, but that he always compensated for this by knowing a dancefloor like the back of his own hand, as he had been a very active clubber/dancer for years in Dorian Gray before making a career out of dance music. This creates a perceived bond between himself and the dancefloor as the same kind of "party animals".
Combine these aspects, and you have the key to why Sven can spaz out on stage and get away with simply throwing the crossfader. It also helps that the last ten years in dance music have increasingly turned the DJ into a rock star. |
Great points |
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| Guest |
| quote: | Originally posted by stevö
its not because of his reputation or because the crowd is knowledgeable or making the tracks an event etc etc. its because when you pick the right track to come next, long blends are not needed. he just has a really good ear for good tracks and a really good ear for what track should come next. i wish more djs did it like he does. he like, plays almost the whole track, letting it die out as the new one comes in, sort of letting the tracks do the work of mixing instead of the dj, the intro over outro kind of thing. so, no, i dont think he's getting away with anything, he's just doing a really good job as a dj. not a beatmatcher, but a dj. |
Good points. You can hear some of this in his Cocoon Comp CD's. He's either in the gutter or on fire. And when he's on fire its a relentless string of really catchy, cracked out melodies and gritty euro distorto-bass
I was surprised to see him include a DJ Qu track in one of the recent comps. That just doesnt seem to fit his typical track selection, but hey everyone's styles change over the years. |
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| Adam420 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Guest
Good points. You can hear some of this in his Cocoon Comp CD's. He's either in the gutter or on fire. And when he's on fire its a relentless string of really catchy, cracked out melodies and gritty euro distorto-bass
I was surprised to see him include a DJ Qu track in one of the recent comps. That just doesnt seem to fit his typical track selection, but hey everyone's styles change over the years. |
He also included a Move D track in the most recent compilation, among others. I'm sorry Mark, but you are really out of the loop, it often seems. |
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| Guest |
| quote: | Originally posted by Quazar
I saw him earlier this year and he started out awesome (even went on early to please the crowd, he was pretty psyched so many people showed up on a Monday), but by the end of his set he was completely hammered drunk and his mixing was pretty awful. The promoter was also completely hammered and kept getting on the mic talking about how awesome Sven Vath is.
All in all, it was a fun night, but that last hour kinda irked me (It was only 4am-5am that was iffy, midnight-4am was excellent). Of course, I didn't know much about his persona at the time, so maybe that's why. I wasn't really expecting that result from a "First LA gig in 5 years!" party. |
Yea there's a lot of youtube vids of him doing shots mid set at the bar. That's always funny |
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