Originally posted by Woony
Who is The Shamen? I've never heard of him.
Obviously, as it's they.
Colin Angus - Vocals, guitars, keyboards (1985–1999)
Derek McKenzie - Vocals (1985–1987)
Keith McKenzie - Drums (1985–1988)
Allison Morrison -live Keyboards, backup vocals (1985–1986)
Peter Stephenson - Keyboards (1986–1988)
Will Sinnott - Bass, vocals, keyboards (1987–1991)
Richard West (Mr C) - Vocals, keyboards (1989–1999)
Plavka Lonich - Vocals (1990–1991)
Cheryl Melder - live Vocals (1991–1992)
Richard Sharpe - live Keyboards (1991–1992)
Bob Breeks - additional live keyboards (1992–1999)
Gavin Knight - live drums (1992–1999)
Jhelisa Anderson - Vocals (1992–1993)
Victoria Wilson James - Vocals (1994–1998)
See youtube for their hits in the 90's, "Move Any Mountain" (1991) · "LSI (Love Sex Intelligence)" (1992) · "Ebeneezer Goode" (1992) · "Phorever People" (1992)
idoru
Jesus, you guys need to stop taking stuff like this so seriously. :stongue:
SYSTEM-J
quote:
Originally posted by pozz
RITM is obscure?
ya. sure man, sure.
Don't get ing sarcastic with me. To illustrate a point, just look at the Last.fm listener statistics for those acts:
1. The Prodigy 1,621,899
2. Daft Punk 2,483,673
3. The Chemical Brothers 1,739,907
4. Faithless 1,130,333
5. Deadmau5 764,167
6. Plastikman 144,220
7. Underworld 801,852
8. Fatboy Slim 1,448,393
9. Orbital 616,227
10. Moby 2,027,815
11. Leftfield 572,863
12. Kraftwerk 659,096
13. Pendulum 925,713
14. Depeche Mode 1,952,366
15. Justice 1,132,077
16. Basement Jaxx 904,151
17. Groove Armada 1,081,352
18. The Shamen 133,964
19. Above & Beyond 314,795
20. The KLF 226,877
Then look at RITM: 27,400
In other words, even the least well known artist on this list has five times as many listeners as RITM. The most well known has almost one hundred times as many listeners. Even The Shamen had a string of chart hits, including topping the UK singles chart for six weeks. Plastikman is the other stand-out, but given Hawtin has just done a Plastikman live tour, it's no surprise that he's charting high.
RITM are nobodies. They were mildly successful in the American rave scene in the mid-90s, which means absolutely nothing, and they never had any chart hits. The only reason anyone on this forum remembers them is because Sasha and Digweed used to be big fans once upon a time. Good ing lord, I talk to kids out now at drum 'n bass nights who've never even heard of LTJ Bukem, and you expect Rabbit In The ing Moon to feature in a Mixmag popularity poll?
I have to wonder if some of you people ever leave your house and interact with the rest of society.
pozz
i've met those kids -- one guy thought Netsky was the greatest thing the genre had to offer. can't say i'm interested in his opinion.
can't say I'm interested in those statistics you found either. whatever basis mixmag made their selections on, all it highlights is that they don't give a much of a about what they put up.
the omission of RITM is telling, but not critical. it's simply not that important: i wouldn't even care if they left out most of the acts listed. as a matter of historical record it's moot unless someone goes and listens to the material, checks out the show (as much as is possible in whatever archived form, for the most part). i've read scholarly articles that pose just as much as mixmag does to give a list of albums of the origin (or key point, or innovation, etc) of techno, glitch, IDM. the analytical work is usually sloppy and the writing itself is just an excuse to provide and present the list at the the end. still, those are at least worth considering because they really want this music to be preserved and heard. you can read that kind of earnestness "between the lines" as they say. i don't know how much mixmag is interested or invested in the latter.
and i don't know how you can claim RITM are nobodies, on what historical record, but i found out about them by talking to guys into trance, who've seen the shows, cheered at the costumes and effects, and had their brains blown out their ears when Out of Body Experience was finally performed.
i can't deny that the number of sales matter, especially in terms of providing capital for new projects, performances. but i don't care. too many times i've found a nice track written by someone whose ass has joined with the chair in their bedroom, and their reward is solitude and hemorrhoids. if there is something important about the kinds of lists assembled to serve as representative of a given genre, it is that there has been a hell of a lot of work, earstrain, eyestrain, and spent emotion just to produce something worthwhile. mixmag has so much productive capacity that such work disappears. look at your Post-Apocalyptic Transmissions set -- roughly 20 years of music had to exist, be compiled, mixed, matched & blended, before you came up with it (from what i remember of it at least). you really think mixmag should be defended? that.
aNYthing
quote:
Originally posted by Euforix
Really?! Their hit Ebeneezer Goode was one of the first rave tunes I ever heard in my life.
I know this has been embedded too many times in TA but it's just so catchy song.
Used to rock this on my trusty cassette at parties back in glorious early 90's:
zyklon-jay
lol. now talk about .
SYSTEM-J
quote:
Originally posted by pozz
can't say I'm interested in those statistics you found either. whatever basis mixmag made their selections on, all it highlights is that they don't give a much of a about what they put up.
It's a popularity contest. How many ing times do I have to say it? Did you even read the link the OP gave?
quote:
The results are in! From September to December last year, you voted in your tens of thousands to decide who was the greatest dance act of all time.
The readers of Mixmag voted as to their favourite dance act. These are the results. Your big-ass post is a complete waste of time.
(And incidentally, I actually think it's quite pleasantly surprising that Kraftwerk are in there, but Skrillex or David Guetta aren't. This list could have come out a lot worse.)
pozz
you still bruised over those 7 quoted words?
(want to compile me another list of statistics to prove me wrong?)
edit: now that i read this again. this is true:
quote:
Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
(And incidentally, I actually think it's quite pleasantly surprising that Kraftwerk are in there, but Skrillex or David Guetta aren't. This list could have come out a lot worse.)
em anyway. their demographic sucks.
SYSTEM-J
I'm in a really ing bad mood (because of by the way, Jay) and it's either get ruinously drunk or play loud psy-trance and argue with people on the Internet. You tell me which is less damaging.
EDIT: I don't even think this list sucks. I like most of the names on this list. As far as accessible dance music goes, you can't argue with most of these guys. And if you expect anything other than accessible dance music on a popularity poll, you're ing deluded.
pozz
shrooms -- every time.
Teezdalien
quote:
Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
it's either get ruinously drunk or play loud psy-trance and argue with people on the Internet. You tell me which is less damaging.
I swear getting rat drunk will make you feel better. :p
