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Ishkur - The Pure Trance Mix (pg. 2)
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| SYSTEM-J |
Decent mix, but I appreciated it more as a concept than as a listening experience. Lots of pretty rough transitions, generally a lot of wobbly EQing, a few harmonic issues and the odd outright shocker (the mix into Suburban Train is appalling). In this age of mash-up mixes it isn't a novelty simply to hear a lot of records crammed into a set, and usually this kind of set has flawless transitions. Trance mega-mixes do actually exist, and what sets this one apart is more the emphasis on a constant beat and the historical selection of tracks.
I guess my main issue is that this doesn't actually feel very entrancing, because it's constantly changing and the ropey mixing means you can constantly hear the EQ bass war and the overly busy mid-ranges that keep you from getting sucked in. "Pure trance" is generally about gradual change and long development of ideas. As you put it in the old Guide, "tracks that last for hours, parties that last for days". An ever-changing mega-mix thing is not really pure trance at all, and most of these tracks don't make for great repetitive trancers. They're just big anthems with the hook cut out. |
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| Sand Leaper |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
Decent mix, but I appreciated it more as a concept than as a listening experience. Lots of pretty rough transitions, generally a lot of wobbly EQing, a few harmonic issues and the odd outright shocker (the mix into Suburban Train is appalling). In this age of mash-up mixes it isn't a novelty simply to hear a lot of records crammed into a set, and usually this kind of set has flawless transitions. Trance mega-mixes do actually exist, and what sets this one apart is more the emphasis on a constant beat and the historical selection of tracks.
I guess my main issue is that this doesn't actually feel very entrancing, because it's constantly changing and the ropey mixing means you can constantly hear the EQ bass war and the overly busy mid-ranges that keep you from getting sucked in. "Pure trance" is generally about gradual change and long development of ideas. As you put it in the old Guide, "tracks that last for hours, parties that last for days". An ever-changing mega-mix thing is not really pure trance at all, and most of these tracks don't make for great repetitive trancers. They're just big anthems with the hook cut out. |
This pretty much covers the constructive criticism I had.
That said, this mix to me is not so much a traditional DJ mix as it is a statement regarding the nature of trance in 2012, and how a new approach is desperately needed. While it fails to achieve the idea of "pure trance" as described in the OP, it still conveys a clear message that, unfortunately, is still relevant about a decade after the big Gatecrasher burnout. |
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| Beatflux |
| quote: | Originally posted by Woony
Very original/different style of mixing. For example towards end I heard parts of the build up of Super8 - Get Off and I was waiting for the climax of that track (which orgasmic by the way) and it just never came :p |
Don't you see...this is how he makes love. |
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| Beatflux |
I've a pretty noob mix...there's a lot of technical problems with it.
The suburban train mix pretty sums up your understanding of trance. There's little impact just moving straight to the climax. That's why there is a long intro and and breakdown to build up to the climax. A song with a progressive style arrangement doesn't necessarily do well in a megamix style of mix. |
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| zyklon-jay |
I have to echo the sentiments of this thread. I tried to get through it, but I just can't listen to this stuff anymore even if I did like some of these at one time or another. For the other genre mixes, I would suggest maybe spending more time making sure that the technical aspects are way more tight. In 2012 people don't have the patience for shoddy mixing like this, and I can guarantee that it will lead to less credibility in v3 of your guide.
if you can't do it, compile the tracks you want for each genres and have someone do it for you. I'm sure many here can attest that it only takes one really bad mix for people to never right click save as again in this bandwidth obsessed world. |
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| pointPi |
Interesting concept, a bit flawed execution.
Ishkur, I don't know if you already know this, but if you're mixing two tracks together, keep in mind which track's bass you want to emphasize. If there's one track whose bass you find to be more relevant the other one, cut off the low frequencies of the other track to avoid dissonance and phase cancelation.
Anyway, I think I'll do a similar mix, but with more emphasis on climaxes and euphoria, just to piss you off. ;)
P.S. I have no problem with breakdowns. They do bring a tiny bit variation to the pacing. |
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| zyklon-jay |
| if a dj does not include breaks, when are people supposed to go to the bar to pay their salary? |
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| Sand Leaper |
| I don't think this is about eliminating breakdowns altogether. It's just a statement to how ridiculous breakdowns in trance have become, and that it's time to play and make music without them to a much larger extent. |
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| zyklon-jay |
trance breakdowns are redundant, but no one with any taste in their right mind listens to trance anymore (2012 remix). breaks are imperative for pacing. you can't have that "pow" moment without a little bit of lull and anticipation. filler tracks and breakdowns are essential for proper "peaks and valleys". linear stuff is stagnant, more so if jarring.
in any genre, it is all about tension and release. |
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| Sand Leaper |
| quote: | Originally posted by zyklon-jay
breaks are imperative for pacing. you can't have that "pow" moment without a little bit of lull and anticipation. filler tracks and breakdowns are essential for proper "peaks and valleys". linear stuff is stagnant, more so if jarring.
in any genre, it is all about tension and release. |
From what I recall, Ish argues exactly this against the non stop mindless boshing of Nu NRG/UK hard house in his guide, so I'm pretty sure he's aware of the tension/release dynamic. He has simply exaggerated the anti-breakdown agenda tremendously for this mix as a contrast to the equally ridiculous breakdowns used in epic trance for the last decade or so. It's a good idea on paper, but falls flat in practice when you use the kind of rigidly structured epic trance material that makes up the majority of the mix. |
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| zyklon-jay |
| quote: | Originally posted by Sand Leaper
From what I recall, Ish argues exactly this against the non stop mindless boshing of Nu NRG/UK hard house in his guide, so I'm pretty sure he's aware of the tension/release dynamic. He has simply exaggerated the anti-breakdown agenda tremendously for this mix as a contrast to the equally ridiculous breakdowns used in epic trance for the last decade or so. It's a good idea on paper, but falls flat in practice when you use the kind of rigidly structured epic trance material that makes up the majority of the mix. |
let me rephrase then. the way he chose to do it simply doesn't work. |
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| RebeL9 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Sand Leaper
From what I recall, Ish argues exactly this against the non stop mindless boshing of Nu NRG/UK hard house in his guide, so I'm pretty sure he's aware of the tension/release dynamic. He has simply exaggerated the anti-breakdown agenda tremendously for this mix as a contrast to the equally ridiculous breakdowns used in epic trance for the last decade or so. It's a good idea on paper, but falls flat in practice when you use the kind of rigidly structured epic trance material that makes up the majority of the mix. |
I agree. The problem is that the second half of the mix is full of the very same big epic dutch tracks that Ishkur loathe. Wish he had just kept on playing more of the stuff which is in the first half of the mix. That type of trance works excellent for the type of mix Ishkur have described. |
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