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Saddam Hussein is eating lobster? (pg. 4)
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| BluNine |
note that had i not read your pm, i never would have found this thread, as it was buried a few days deep by the time i got to checking my PMs. also, no, i wasnt ignoring you. but, yes, i have better things to do that sit on this forum all day and wait for your retort. also, why would i "spew out stuff without having source?" do you think i just all of a sudden came up with the *brilliant* idea of posting about hussein's eating habits? or, why would i misquote the issue date? may be you didnt really order the issue, and youre just bluffing. may be there's a chance that i'm right about his lifestyle. may be the sky is blue?!
btw, damned UPS brought the new box and speakers, but forgot the monitor and scanner, bah.:whip: :whip:
ill get it ASAP, and no, i dont "require" you scan "your issue." give me a ing break. |
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| JohnSmith |
i posted the thread on a day you were posting, in fact right below one of your threads at the time. i can look up the dates if you like.
as for the scans, yes, please put them up. I will get mine up as soon as possible to.
this is all a misundertanding, no need to get personal. |
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| JohnSmith |
| quote: | Originally posted by sothis
told ya youd like it expo :D
next i will put juuni kokki on my ftp for you guys |
yeah, i never got a chance to see that one i got from you, my HDD crashed i will have to get another one soon. |
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| Dmatrox |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fire999
Question for you:
If you were in Sadam's shoes, what would you do?
a) Build up his military power as a war is definately near. In history, no war between countries ceases until one Ruler is doused out by the other.
b) Eat Lobster
c) Seek the aliens to assist you.
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If i were in saddam's shoes, id take them off and sell them on Ebay.
oh, and (B) |
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| Izzy |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dmatrox
If i were in saddam's shoes, id take them off and sell them on Ebay.
oh, and (B) |
Saddam would have a much better chance if he were to pick (C) |
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| JohnSmith |
| quote: | Originally posted by BluNine
why would i misquote the issue date? may be you didnt really order the issue, and youre just bluffing. may be there's a chance that i'm right about his lifestyle. may be the sky is blue?!
btw, damned UPS brought the new box and speakers, but forgot the monitor and scanner, bah.:whip: :whip:
ill get it ASAP, and no, i dont "require" you scan "your issue." give me a ing break. |
Here bluNine, i think this will clear it up
http://www.readersdigest.ca/
http://www.rd.com/splash.jhtml
I'd still like to see your scans of the american version, i will get it myself, but i have to order it through a bookstore.
By the way to be clear one last time, i never thought you were lying, and i never thought saddamn hussein wasn't rich. I just wanted to know your source is all.
And, to clarify my position, i know saddamn is an evil man, who wields tyrannical power over his people. However, i do not agree that the US should start dropping bombs on iraq to try and get rid of him. Only the already suffering innocent Iraqis will die, just like in afghanistan. |
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| BluNine |
| oh, i certainly dont condone our government leveling iraq with bombs...not at ALL, and i apologize if i came off that way. i think it's bull, though i still feel the need to defend the US sometimes on this board, but not the US government. |
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| Izzy |
| quote: | Originally posted by JohnSmith
And, to clarify my position, i know saddamn is an evil man, who wields tyrannical power over his people. However, i do not agree that the US should start dropping bombs on iraq to try and get rid of him. Only the already suffering innocent Iraqis will die, just like in afghanistan. |
Ask yourself one question: where will more innocent civilians die? leaving saddam in power where he controls the fate of the sanctioned iraqi people (and terroist factions threatening the world), or changing his regime which has boiled down to happening only through milirtary means?
i've answered the question myself and the best solution for the world with fewest civilian casulaties is to oust him from power as soon as possible! |
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| JohnSmith |
| quote: | Originally posted by BluNine
oh, i certainly dont condone our government leveling iraq with bombs...not at ALL, and i apologize if i came off that way. i think it's bull, though i still feel the need to defend the US sometimes on this board, but not the US government. |
Yes, glad we could come to an understanding on that. I have no problem with americans, it's just the american government, mostly their foreign policy that i don't like.
As for the readers digest i will still read the article, although i doubt it goes very deep.
for my reading material at lunch yesterday, i printed off this:
http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/cabs/iraq.html
and today, i will be perusing this one:
http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/cabs/iraqchron.html
Very informative stuff. |
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| JohnSmith |
| quote: | Originally posted by Izzy
Ask yourself one question: where will more innocent civilians die? leaving saddam in power where he controls the fate of the sanctioned iraqi people (and terroist factions threatening the world), or changing his regime which has boiled down to happening only through milirtary means?
i've answered the question myself and the best solution for the world with fewest civilian casulaties is to oust him from power as soon as possible! |
hmm.. a good question, and you may well be right, that more would die under saddamns rule. I don't think so, but it's a definite possibility.
However, in my opinion, it is not up to the USA to make this decision nor enforce it. If the UN were to make such a determination, then i would support a multilateral endeavour to remove saddamn from power.
My opinion is that weapons inspectors should go back into the country. They should be escorted by military convoys, and if force is required to ensure that all possible weapons sites can be inspected, then the convoys should be allowed to use military force.
We need to ensure that saddamn does not have weapons of mass destruction.
However, this approach will not be taken. This morning, the US and UK launched an air attack against Iraq.
http://www.msnbc.com/news/802167.asp?pne=msn
I believe the reason for using an air attack, instead of sending in ground troops is that it is obviously much safer to drop smart bombs on your enemy from 15,000 feet than to send soldiers in on the ground where they could become targets of enemy forces. this is a way to maximize devastation of your enemy, and minimize risk of your forces, and is a common tactic of the USA after so many americans died in Vietnam.
Unfortunately, the US does NOT have the support of the rest of the world in this bombing. Canada does not support it, we want PROOF, and i'm proud of my prime minister.
for your convenience i will post some quotes from the msnbc article above, showing who is for this war, and who is against it.
The Arab world
Egypt: President Hosni Mubarak says there is not enough evidence to justify military action.
Iran: Tehran is strongly opposed to U.S. plans.
Jordan: King Abdullah has campaigned against a military strike and said Jordan will not allow U.S. troops to operate from its territory.
Saudi Arabia: A key ally during the Gulf War, the kingdom has rejected any role in a new campaign.
Syria: Damascus, while no friend of Saddam Hussein, is opposed to U.S. action.
Canada: “Unlikely” to join a U.S.-led invasion unless proof emerges that Saddam Hussein plans to attack the Western world.
China: Opposes military action, demands the return of U.N. weapons inspectors to Iraq.
Germany: The government, in the midst of an election battle, has been loudest among the European allies in criticizing U.S. plans.
India: Opposes armed action against any country, “more particularly with the avowed purpose of changing a regime.”
Russia: Moscow staunchly opposes U.S. action and has recently improved its own relations with the Iraqi government.
United Nations: Secretary-General Kofi Annan has urged the United States to resist attacking Iraq.
This is not good. the US should NOT be taking military action against a country when so many other countries oppose it. This sets the stage for more hatred of america, which is obviously growing, even on this small message board. it might even start a world war.
just to not appear biased here are the countries that DO support this attack:
Israel: A firm supporter of the U.S. policy to oust Saddam Hussein, the government has urged President Bush not to delay military action. Meantime, the Israeli public is being prepared for retaliatory Iraqi missile attacks in the event of an American attack.
and here are the maybes:
Australia: The government has promised to give “serious consideration” to a request for military help from the United States.
Bahrain: Headquarters of the Navy’s 5th fleet, the tiny Persian Gulf island is already home to more than 4,000 U.S. troops. The government, while officially opposed to military action against Iraq, is expected to allow the U.S. to operate from its bases in the country.
Britain: Prime Minister Tony Blair and other officials have repeatedly said it is too early to make a decision about whether to participate in such an attack, but Britain is expected to provide some military help if asked.
Kuwait: No friend of Saddam Hussein, Kuwait has expressed reservations about a U.S. attack but would likely help in the event of military action. There already are thousands U.S. Army soldiers are based in Camp Doha near Kuwait City.
Qatar: Although officially opposed to an attack, the government has permitted the United States to rapidly upgrade its al Udeid air base over the past year. Commander of U.S. Central Command Tommy Franks has said the base is being developed for "times of crisis."
Turkey: NATO member and Iraq neighbor, the government is worried about the fallout from a “regime change” in Baghdad, especially when it comes to the separatist aspirations of restless Kurds in northern Iraq and Turkey.
Even the UN is saying not to do this! It's a tragedy, and i worry for the future. |
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| Izzy |
| quote: | Originally posted by JohnSmith
hmm.. a good question, and you may well be right, that more would die under saddamns rule. I don't think so, but it's a definite possibility. |
thats cool everyone is entitled to his own opinion... i think to the contrary, based upon history the longer you let this play out the worse it will get. would you rather pull off a band-aid ever so slowly ripping out each hair one at a time or would you rather do it with one quick swift motion?
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My opinion is that weapons inspectors should go back into the country. They should be escorted by military convoys, and if force is required to ensure that all possible weapons sites can be inspected, then the convoys should be allowed to use military force.
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this has been tried once, why do you think things will turn out differently this time? has saddam changed? has the UN become less wussy and are willing to use force if needed? i highly doubt it
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We need to ensure that saddamn does not have weapons of mass destruction.
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my solutions, a military one, would for sure make this a reality.
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for your convenience i will post some quotes from the msnbc article above, showing who is for this war, and who is against it. |
let me give you a little story as to world opinions... in 1981 israel dispathced a squad of F-16's to iraq who then blew up what would become iraq's first nuclear reactor, israel then threatned iraq that they would do it agian if they choose to rebuild it. The whole world, including the US, condoned and scorned israel for doing such an act of war. God only knows what today would have been like if iraq had that reactor build and sustianed for the past two decades... i think the world owes israel an apology on that one. maybe it will be the same case here...
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Canada: “Unlikely” to join a U.S.-led invasion unless proof emerges that Saddam Hussein plans to attack the Western world.
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i remember reading an AP article two days ago saying that Rumsfeld is considering releasing (declassifying) proof of Sadam's plans and/or current weapon status to the puplic as to gain support... we shall wait and see, but i hope your prime-minister can stick to his words.
personally let me add a note... i think the world will finally be at peace when all the contries of the world become representitive democracies upholding that basic freedoms that every human is born with. currently iraq is not one of them. which brings me back to where i started dont you think its better to make this regime change now (and take the casualties of war that happen with it) so that future generations may live in peace and hamrony rather then take the deaths and suffereing that are happening in Saddams hands now? |
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| Renegade |
| quote: | | Australia: The government has promised to give “serious consideration” to a request for military help from the United States. |
Believe me, when America says jump, John Howard (our prime-minister) will only ask how high.
If America goes to war, then Australia will be there with them, mark my words.
| quote: | | United Nations: Secretary-General Kofi Annan has urged the United States to resist attacking Iraq. |
Yet, the sad part is, that even if the US do attack Iraq, the UN will more than likely sit back and ignore it.
The US is beyond reproach, and seems to be ignoring its own propoganda. It has the temerity to suggest that democracy - the will of the people - is the only way forward (and it has been spreading this rhetoric for the past 50 years) yet it consistently ignores international will in all of its external decisions. Either the US politicians learn that they have no right to dictate their will upon the rest of the world, or they must learn to accept that events such as those on 11/09 will continue to happen so long as they adopt the xenophobic policies they do now.
As with you JohnSmith, I worry for the future of this planet. :( |
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