Originally posted by hyogen
I would call it more techno than trance. i don't listen to hard trance or techno, so I don't feel the need to split hairs..
Originally posted by Rodri Santos
the list is not variated enough to be considered, if you pretend to do at list of this kind listen to 100,000 records from 1989 to 2012 from several different types of trance (because it looks you enjoy uplifting and the rest were randomly found possibly after listening to ASOT/TATW)and then post what you objectively think is the best.
Won't succeed either but the result would look a lot more professional, i take this as an enthusiastic fan attempt and i am not going to bash you for this, you just have to open your mind and understand that this is partial.
i came upon uplifting trance after i got into older trance. By older, I don't mean THE oldest. One of the first tracks I fell in love with was ATB - Kayama (1999)...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuSRaDhpn-Q (skip to 1:50 if you want to hear the melody). I love it for the exact same reasons why I love the newer tracks on my list...gorgeous, simple melody. It's not necessarily the euphoric build up and "drop" that I'm all about. As you can check out with the other type of music I grew up with. A common theme that I can see now that I look back at other music I still enjoy--such as several movie scores by Hans Zimmer, The Schindler's list theme by John Williams (jurassic park, indiana jones, and others), the Forrest Gump feather theme by Alan Silvestri--is really emotional, preferably simple, memorable melodies. ..sometimes cheesy to someone else (including my dad who is all about classical classical music).
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Originally posted by params7
Why is it laughable? If the melodies/main chorus itself is pretty good listen? I agree though the head dizzying beat for the first 2-3 mins are the tiest parts of today's trance but the melodies are still there. I can relate with the OP since I got into trance listening to ASOT lol. I don't like Daniel Candy's cheesy crap anymore but I love N20, Super 8 and Tab and the like.
If you like the melody from Kayama, then chances are you're gonna like the melodies in most of the songs on my list. If it takes you skipping the first couple of minutes to get to the chorus/melodies like it does this reasonable guy above, then I think it'd be worth it for most.
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Originally posted by EddieZilker
Part of your problem is a complete absence of humility masked with a pretentiously presented, artificial open-mindedness. You're a little too quick to appeal from ideals relating to etiquette. You project haughty elitism onto people who don't see things your way before even attempting to have a fundamental understanding of where they are coming from. You completely discount their opinions and how those opinions were formed when you ascribe, to the motivations of others, a closed-mindedness that precludes their ability to appreciate things as you do.
Look at the response I made to a pretty harsh critism and you got that?? It's funny how you think you got me all figured out to a T, doc. Pretty impressed with how analytical you got with just a few of my posts, though. I suppose then, that all the people who provoked me to respond the way I did are perfectly without blemish in their character? It seems like quite a few have deep-seated issues stemming from childhood... Did I come in here asking what the founding fathers of trance feel like trance should sound like nowadays or acting like I knew all there is to know about the entire genre and root of trance? Anyway, I'll take what you say to heart with a grain of salt, like I do with anyone's advice or castigation, and hopefully it can prevent me from acting like this in the real world if I in fact your diagnosis was correct on any level. I'm more concerned with how I come across to my friends or people around me in the real world. Course, this is the internet, where anyone can act like they're an expert on anything or have a degree in psychology or whatever else.
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Originally posted by GreenOctopus
Well, I'm going to be blunt. The songs mostly suck. The list definitely has the look of something made by someone who has only recently gotten into it. And in fairness, it's not that recency alone is a good measure of music taste so much as the fact that you have come during a time when trance is, effectively, an extinct genre. "Ocean Rain" by Elevation is a bit of a surprising addition though, in that it's seven years old and considerably different from the other artists you mention. It's certainly one of the few decent ones. Anyway, it is what it is, so it wouldn't be fair or a good use of my time for me to just lambaste the hell out of this list all day. None of the songs you list are progressive in any way though, so I'm not sure why it's mentioned.
thanks for the feedback.
there are some other older tracks as well...... as far as I could tell, Anjunabeach is a progressive track... it's one of my favorites and I hope you don't dismiss it simply because it's by above and beyond.... who by the way-at least one of them is actually trained in music /piano... not something that can be said of for example armin van buuren..
Anyway, in real life i'm known by my friends to wear my heart on my sleeve. I'd say it's my greatest strength and weakness. Might be more of an accurate diagnosis if you look deeper, doc ;) On the internet...what's the point of being anything else, though? What's there to hide OR is it like real life where most people mask their true feelings or guard themselves with a rough exterior because maybe they've been burned too many times...or is not being flamed on the internet *that* important to you? The "childish self-improvement" attitude one guy mentioned earlier, may be more of a function of the heart-on-sleeve wearing. But hey, I don't want to make any claims about being an expert about myself, either. My character is for my wife to have to deal with for the rest of our lives :)
Params7's positive comments on the Watson track piqued my interest again and I took a listen. Not anything I'd see myself listening to, nor anything what I would call techno, like Adam420 did in another thread (melodic techno thread), but in my opinion it's a pretty creative melody. Not one that is simple to my ears, or especially pretty, but I would say it's very "playful" and could be danced to in the 80s. It creates a visual of 80s hair and clothes and style of dance.... which brings me to the realization that many of you guys might be my dad's age..........if you were in the trance/club scene in the 80s, 90s... does that put some of you around 40-50 years of age? don't fault me for being born in the early 80s...at least I didn't start listening to trance via ASOT or TATW.
Like another replier wrote, today's trance IS technically superior... I guess my generation tends to like bluerays, HD sound and video, bigger and crazier action scenes and special effects....even rewatching movies from 10 years ago and I wonder how I was ever thrilled and spine-tingled by them...but I can agree there is way less quality out there in most things nowadays...unfortunately I guess that's just the way it is.
weidenkind
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even rewatching movies from 10 years ago and I wonder how I was ever thrilled and spine-tingled by them.
just when i thought you couldnt possibly utter more turds
TranceElevation
hyogin, don't pay much attention to edy zilher.
btw, Kandi is prolly the best uplifting producer of the last decade
hyogen
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Originally posted by weidenkind
just when i thought you couldnt possibly utter more turds
you don't experience that? maybe it's solely due to the fact that you already know what's gonna happen..
i don't always agree with the critics, but for example I saw Mission Impossible for maybe the 3rd time recently after seeing the newest Ghost Protocol and was completely underwhelmed. I remember liking that movie when it first came out, too...pretty much everyone did.
I looked at the rotten tomatoes rating on it...around 60%. This year's MI Ghost Protocol....93%
EddieZilker
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Originally posted by TranceElevation
hyogin, don't pay much attention to edy zilher.
Please note user title.
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Originally posted by hyogen
Look at the response I made to a pretty harsh critism and you got that?? It's funny how you think you got me all figured out to a T, doc. Pretty impressed with how analytical you got with just a few of my posts, though. I suppose then, that all the people who provoked me to respond the way I did are perfectly without blemish in their character? It seems like quite a few have deep-seated issues stemming from childhood... Did I come in here asking what the founding fathers of trance feel like trance should sound like nowadays or acting like I knew all there is to know about the entire genre and root of trance? Anyway, I'll take what you say to heart with a grain of salt, like I do with anyone's advice or castigation, and hopefully it can prevent me from acting like this in the real world if I in fact your diagnosis was correct on any level. I'm more concerned with how I come across to my friends or people around me in the real world. Course, this is the internet, where anyone can act like they're an expert on anything or have a degree in psychology or whatever else.
You irrationally interpret responses that don't conform to what you want as attacks. Perhaps you aren't as forthcoming, in real life, with your adverse interpretations of external points of view but it is likely there are people in your social circle who you harbor unspoken, petty grievances against. Instead of dealing with them directly, you'll seek to subvert their social standing, causing or attempting to cause others to think poorly of them. Even when you try a direct approach, however, your thinking is so alien that such approaches often escalate conflict beyond most people's ability to rationally contend with what set you off in the first place.
Most people aren't as concerned with how they are perceived as you are. Furthermore, their focus isn't on securing group acceptance through manipulation or coercion. Your continued inclusion is primarily due to the naivety of your peers concerning distinctions between appropriate behavior and your less desirable social maneuvering. Because they are more interested in maintaining group cohesion in order to derive the benefits of being part of a social circle, their focus isn't concerned with detecting your maladaptive behaviors. Most people don't see you for who you really are. In situations that are adverse, however, your true colors may show and cause others to see you in a more accurate light.
Rodri Santos
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Originally posted by TranceElevation
hyogin, don't pay much attention to edy zilher.
btw, Kandi is prolly the best uplifting producer of the last decade
Finally someone popped this jewel, greatest vocals in trance ever.
OT: Trance is not only about melodies,this is a common misconception because trance is by definition a melodical genre but it's a characteristic that is shared with many other styles.
Trance as it's name suggest used to transport you to a state of trance, with carefully elaborated loops constantly developing, trance is not only about of melodies.
I like melodic tracks though but nowadays i rarely find something that really stands out, i mean 99%of the melodies are built using the same chord technique and they are all so similar , it is difficult to find a melody that really stands out , i see you like Ace da Brain,this might be an example of something a bit elaborated.
For me uplifting trance is dead, i may like a track from time to time but is a genre that i no longer follow because there's so much garbage on it to lose time to just find 2 decent tracks out of 50.
hyogen
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Originally posted by EddieZilker
Please note user title.
You irrationally interpret responses that don't conform to what you want as attacks. Perhaps you aren't as forthcoming, in real life, with your adverse interpretations of external points of view but chances are there are people in your social circle who you harbor unspoken grievances against due to petty disagreements. Instead of dealing with them directly, you'll seek to subvert their social standing, causing or attempting to cause others to think poorly of them. Even when you try a direct approach, however, your thinking is so alien that such approaches often escalate conflict beyond most people's ability to rationally contend with what set you off in the first place.
Most people aren't as concerned with how they are perceived as you are. Furthermore, their focus isn't on securing group acceptance through manipulation or coercion. Your continued inclusion is primarily due to the naivety of your peers concerning distinctions between appropriate behavior and your less desirable social maneuvering. Because they are more interested in maintaining group cohesion in order to derive the benefits of being part of a social circle, their focus isn't concerned with detecting your maladaptive behaviors. Most people don't see you for who you really are. In situations that are adverse, however, your true colors may show and cause others to see you in a more accurate light.
Wowwww, doc. Can I call you that? haha.. I was being sincere when I said I was impressed earlier, but now I'm blown away. You possess some astonishing see-through-person abilities--even see through people's friends abilities. Quite astute, but *hopefully* not all accurate. Anyway, mad respect. My *maybe* above AVERAGE intelligence is what caused/helped me just skate by in life until now. Skate by asian family standards I think.. Now, being married to the girl I'd only dreamed about and wanting to provide the best way I can, I'm taking remedial classes after several years of graduating and undertaking the stressful task of getting all A's in the classes I once disliked and cared so little about to get into grad school by next year. Anyway, you're right about me caring about what people think and *liking* inclusion (i'm an only child), but i would disagree about being coercive/manipulative at least in real life... As far as inclusion or acceptance, I've never had to put much effort into that...people usually accept me for who I am and like that i'm pretty transparent. I never imagined it being because they're too naive or don't know how to deal with me... I've never been about boasting or coercing anyone into anything...but I do try to pass along what I think is good info to my friends--I thought that was more the salesman in me. Is it possible that it's only because I walked into a polarized lion's den of people who are bitter about what their beloved old school trance genre has become, that caused me to react in the way that led you to your observations? I freely admit I tend to have an external locus of control more than some. But, as you can see with my rematriculation into college, I'm trying to find more of an internal locus.
Either way, I'm very intrigued and would like to continue talking to you about your diagnoses. For now, I must get back to studying--big tests tomorrow. Please pm me and we can discuss at length, as long as you're not charging by the hour :P Are you a shrink in real life? :D
as for skating by in life until now and why getting the girl of my dreams is such a big deal for me, is because I did everything the opposite of what my overbearing parents wanted... which is become a doc first...then girls. I don't regret it in the least, since I got the girl for who I am and not what I am and how much I make... If you can help iron out the deep seated issues I've have with my parents...oh man
hyogen
thanks for the suggestions. ROFL @ the Sky0cean song...greater than the William Hung song
so what if it's about melodies for me? i've been into melodies since I was younger and I doubt most would disagree that they're good melodies.
EddieZilker
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Originally posted by hyogen
Wowwww, doc. Can I call you that? haha.. I was being sincere when I said I was impressed earlier, but now I'm blown away. You possess some astonishing see-through-person abilities--even see through people's friends abilities. Quite astute, but *hopefully* not all accurate. Anyway, mad respect. My *maybe* above AVERAGE intelligence is what caused/helped me just skate by in life until now. Now, being married to the girl I'd only dreamed about and wanting to provide the best way I can, I'm taking remedial classes after several years of graduating and undertaking the stressful task of getting all A's in the classes I once disliked and cared so little about to get into grad school by next year. Anyway, you're right about me caring about what people think and *liking* inclusion (i'm an only child), but i would disagree about being coercive/manipulative at least in real life... As far as inclusion or acceptance, I've never had to put much effort into that...people usually accept me for who I am and like that i'm pretty transparent. I never imagined it being because they're too naive or don't know how to deal with me... I've never been about boasting or coercing anyone into anything...but I do try to pass along what I think is good info to my friends--I thought that was more the salesman in me. Is it possible that it's only because I walked into a polarized lion's den of people who are bitter about what their beloved old school trance genre has become, that caused me to react in the way that led you to your observations? I freely admit I tend to have an external locus of control more than some. But, as you can see with my rematriculation into college, I'm trying to find more of an internal locus.
Either way, I'm very intrigued and would like to continue talking to you about your diagnoses. For now, I must get back to studying--big tests tomorrow. Please pm me and we can discuss at length, as long as you're not charging by the hour :P Are you a shrink in real life? :D
as for skating by in life until now and why getting the girl of my dreams is such a big deal for me, is because I did everything the opposite of what my overbearing parents wanted... which is become a doc first...then girls. I don't regret it in the least, since I got the girl for who I am and not what I am and how much I make... If you can help iron out the deep seated issues I've have with my parents...oh man
If it makes you feel any better, I'm not a psychologist. That shouldn't help you feel any better. Given that I don't have any formal training and have already spotted how screwy you are, I somehow doubt that my lack of professional credentials can do much for your self-esteem.
Insisting that you're not manipulative is meaningless and having a girlfriend or going back to school is completely incidental. Worse people than you are romantically involved and already have an education. Many racists will swear up and down that they aren't racist, at all. That doesn't mean they aren't racist nor does it mean they are lying. It just means that they have conflated conceptions of self with no bearing on reality. You may not perceive yourself as manipulative but that's only because your high-water mark is a little past most people's excessive flood stage. I have no doubt that you present as a transparent individual, but that is just a presentation. That is how you want to be seen. That's not how you really are.
I have no interest in having this discussion in private. If you are tired of having this discussion in public, where I point out how you're behaving like an ass and how behaving like an ass fits in with a ed up way of thinking, stop behaving like an ass and trying to insult people who have been posting in this forum longer than you. They are far more knowledgeable than you on your chosen topic. Insulting them because they don't appreciate the saccharine melancholy of Above & Beyond's mainstream trance anthems is a bit like insulting Ferrari's assembly line because they don't make Ford Fiestas.
hyogen
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Originally posted by EddieZilker
If it makes you feel any better, I'm not a psychologist. That shouldn't help you feel any better. Given that I don't have any formal training and have already spotted how screwy you are, I somehow doubt that my lack of professional credentials can do much for your self-esteem.
Insisting that you're not manipulative is meaningless and having a girlfriend or going back to school is completely incidental. Worse people than you are romantically involved and already have an education. Many racists will swear up and down that they aren't racist, at all. That doesn't mean they aren't racist nor does it mean they are lying. It just means that they have conflated conceptions of self with no bearing on reality. You may not perceive yourself as manipulative but that's only because your high-water mark is a little past most people's excessive flood stage. I have no doubt that you present as a transparent individual, but that is just a presentation. That is how you want to be seen. That's not how you really are.
I have no interest in having this discussion in private. If you are tired of having this discussion in public, where I point out how you're behaving like an ass and how behaving like an ass fits in with a ed up way of thinking, stop behaving like an ass and trying to insult people who have been posting in this forum longer than you. They are far more knowledgeable than you on your chosen topic. Insulting them because they don't appreciate the saccharine melancholy of Above & Beyond's mainstream trance anthems is a bit like insulting Ferrari's assembly line because they don't make Ford Fiestas.
haha, ok i had to ask. still not sure where i insulted anyone. i never said my music or taste was better than anyones...nor did i claim to have more knowledge than anyones! i simply was sharing my list of what I think are beautiful melodies in trance....... also, am curious of how you think i am manipulative.. some specific examples would be interesting to think about
EddieZilker
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Originally posted by hyogen
also, am curious of how you think i am manipulative.. some specific examples would be interesting to think about
Your praise is too elevated when you get a post which conforms to what you're striving for. When you get one that isn't, you are quick to discount it. Asking Adam420 if he's an e-tard, for instance, is a good example of how you attempt to punish people for not delivering responses you would find more suitable.
I understand you like the music you like but the music you like, to some people around here, is akin to slaughtering a cow in a vegetarian household. I'm not talking about the moral repugnance of the concept so much as the aesthetic. It literally sounds like pained mooing, punctuated with chopping noises against its still-living carcass and screaming vegans slipping in blood trying to save the terrified animal from a madman with a hatchet. That's what your music sounds like to them.
