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Are "HEADLINER" DJ's Really Needed? (pg. 2)
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| MelBeat |
| quote: | Originally posted by DjWoody
If my friend was able to sell it out with no headliners other than himself, why wasn't Giant able to do the same thing with their headliners? |
I think Giant also sold out on their opening night with CL and on a few more nights I was there. But specifically for last Friday there was no competition, in OC or LA. Let's see what happens the following Fridays. 2/24 Sutra's got Eddie Halliwell and Dash Berlin is at the Palladium. 3/9 LMD is at Shark and Insomniac at the Exchange. |
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| DjWoody |
| quote: | Originally posted by MelBeat
I think Giant also sold out on their opening night with CL and on a few more nights I was there. But specifically for last Friday there was no competition, in OC or LA. Let's see what happens the following Fridays. 2/24 Sutra's got Eddie Halliwell and Dash Berlin is at the Palladium. 3/9 LMD is at Shark and Insomniac at the Exchange. |
Yeap! That's exactly what I was thinking. Opening nights usually do good. Keeping the momentum going is the hard part and it's yet to be seen. |
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| jonmitz |
| quote: | Originally posted by DjWoody
To make the club work. If you're making money, you're pleasing the fans because they keep coming back. Otherwise you'd be out of business. |
would you deny there is a difference between mainstream America and EDM fans?
making mainstream America happy is not difficult. Americans are ing stupid as a whole. You can please the mainstream crowd by putting on a top 40 swedish house mafia/guetta/etc compilation cd every single night and have some raggedy euro-trash looking guy pretend to dj and you will make bank vs paying some raggedy looking eurotrash $50,000 to come dj (ex: Steve Angello).
or you can pay whatever it cost to bring in some real EDM talent (probably less than the euro trash dj) and probably not sell as many tickets, but make the EDM fans happy. :)
i guess you have to just be clearly what you mean by "fans" as it's somewhat ambiguous in your OP
e: and to be clear, i am aware this is a very simplified view, but this is TA and i refuse to put in any actual effort in making an argument :p |
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| DjWoody |
| quote: | Originally posted by jonmitz
would you deny there is a difference between mainstream America and EDM fans?
making mainstream America happy is not difficult. Americans are ing stupid as a whole. You can please the mainstream crowd by putting on a top 40 swedish house mafia/guetta/etc compilation cd every single night and have some raggedy euro-trash looking guy pretend to dj and you will make bank vs paying some raggedy looking eurotrash $50,000 to come dj (ex: Steve Angello).
or you can pay whatever it cost to bring in some real EDM talent (probably less than the euro trash dj) and probably not sell as many tickets, but make the EDM fans happy. :)
i guess you have to just be clearly what you mean by "fans" as it's somewhat ambiguous in your OP |
Off course there's a difference between mainstream fans and EDM fans. In my original reply I should've said club goers rather than fans. My bad. But I did mention it was to make the club work. If you're pleasing your patrons, they come back regardless if you have a headliner or not.
Clubs in SoCal can't just rely on die-hard fans like us anymore. There simply aren't as many. The people who used to eat, sleep, and EDM in its many incarnations have grown older and we simply don't go out as much. Just look at Digweed. He used to be able to sell out The Mayan on Wednesday nights and now he doesn't.
Throwing a successful Top 40 is by no means a piece of cake. It's pretty hard, just not as hard as throwing an EDM club. I've seen plenty of Top 40 club nights go down just as quickly as they went up.
Everyone would love to please the fans, but lets be realistic now. Being a promoter is not all fun and games, it's also a business. You have to find the right balance between pleasing your fans vs going broke. That's one reason why undergrounds exist: they're way cheaper to throw and it cuts a lot of the red tape. |
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| DizkokidD |
| Sux I went overboard on my nap and didn't make it. Next time. I think it's the production. Specially with all the etards of today. |
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| jonmitz |
sorry for being so negative in my post, i implied that it was easy to run a club and I know it's not, and wasn't my intention.
I'd say yes it's possible to run a club (not considering any genres) without headliners, it'd be all about the crowd and atmosphere. There are certain clubs in SF i refuse to go to anymore because of the crowd and/or atmosphere, and there are clubs I'd go to because of the wonderful crowd/atmos (the independent, monarch, mighty[maybe?])
Another anecdote: Vanguard way back when I was in college is a good example of good music, ty crowd&atmos. I would have never gone to that club without the headliners. And on the other side, I'd have/did go to Circus without headliners |
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| 3tlk |
Is it just me or does this event look more like a rave than a club? What was the average age of the people who went to the event?
As everyone mentioned, keeping it going after opening night is tough. Are they going to be able to come up with a production like this week after week? If you don't spend money on a headliner then you could diverge that money to upgrading the props and costumes but creativity would be key. I wouldn't go back to this event unless it was changed up EVERY week. Seeing the whole production would be cool but not same one over and over again. Hiring kryo pumping midgets can't be cheap either. :)
You also got to consider if you are going out to see a production, for music, or for a specific DJ. I would be pretty upset if all the clubs just went for production and I never go to see new headliners. |
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| DjWoody |
| quote: | Originally posted by jonmitz
sorry for being so negative in my post, i implied that it was easy to run a club and I know it's not, and wasn't my intention.
I'd say yes it's possible to run a club (not considering any genres) without headliners, it'd be all about the crowd and atmosphere. There are certain clubs in SF i refuse to go to anymore because of the crowd and/or atmosphere, and there are clubs I'd go to because of the wonderful crowd/atmos (the independent, monarch, mighty[maybe?])
Another anecdote: Vanguard way back when I was in college is a good example of good music, ty crowd&atmos. I would have never gone to that club without the headliners. And on the other side, I'd have/did go to Circus without headliners |
No worries. I'm just like you, there's clubs I refuse to go because of the crowd & atmosphere. Actually, my friends new club night is one of them. LOL... Eventhough he had a very successful night, I probably wouldn't go back unless it was a special event or he had someone that really interests me. I'm just not down with hearing Chris Brown or Pitbull in the middle of a "house" set. lol
I felt the same way about Vanguard too and lately I've been feeling the same way about Avalon. I used to LOVE Avalon, but there's something about it now that I don't like anymore. I don't go there anymore unless there's a headliner I'd really like to see.
I think as I'm getting older, I'm getting pickier with my outings.
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| DjWoody |
| quote: | Originally posted by 3tlk
Is it just me or does this event look more like a rave than a club? What was the average age of the people who went to the event?
As everyone mentioned, keeping it going after opening night is tough. Are they going to be able to come up with a production like this week after week? If you don't spend money on a headliner then you could diverge that money to upgrading the props and costumes but creativity would be key. I wouldn't go back to this event unless it was changed up EVERY week. Seeing the whole production would be cool but not same one over and over again. Hiring kryo pumping midgets can't be cheap either. :)
You also got to consider if you are going out to see a production, for music, or for a specific DJ. I would be pretty upset if all the clubs just went for production and I never go to see new headliners. |
lol Yeah, it looks like a rave. I was wondering the same thing about the age. I felt OLD there. My friend who did the upstairs room said it was 21 & Over, but to me it looked like 18 & Over or a really young looking, just turned 21 crowd.
From what I've been told, they are going to change the theme every week. This week is Glow. He has a HUGE advantage. His partner owns a production company and owns all the equipment. I'm sure that cut a lot of costs.
One thing I did noticed there, even though the club was sold out, I wasn't feeling the vibe at all. The energy we normally see at true EDM clubs just wasn't there. Don't get me wrong, the crowd would scream once in a while, but it wasn't the same. A lot of people were just standing around. |
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| 3tlk |
| quote: | Originally posted by DjWoody
lol Yeah, it looks like a rave. I was wondering the same thing about the age. I felt OLD there. My friend who did the upstairs room said it was 21 & Over, but to me it looked like 18 & Over or a really young looking, just turned 21 crowd.
From what I've been told, they are going to change the theme every week. This week is Glow. He has a HUGE advantage. His partner owns a production company and owns all the equipment. I'm sure that cut a lot of costs.
One thing I did noticed there, even though the club was sold out, I wasn't feeling the vibe at all. The energy we normally see at true EDM clubs just wasn't there. Don't get me wrong, the crowd would scream once in a while, but it wasn't the same. A lot of people were just standing around. |
Why are you complaining? Would you rather have everyone standing or parking there asses on the dance floor in a cuddle puddle!!! |
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| alan |
simplisticly, it depends on the music IMO.
if the music, is the Top 100 at Beatport, then you might not need a headliner. You can focus on production.
if the music, regardless of genre, is underground, then you need a headliner. |
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| DjWoody |
| quote: | Originally posted by 3tlk
Why are you complaining? Would you rather have everyone standing or parking there asses on the dance floor in a cuddle puddle!!! |
I would much rather see everyone dance than stand around. |
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