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Kubrick, The Beatles, and the Crimson King (pg. 2)
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| Meat187 |
| This is something like the movie or music nerd version of a conspiracy theory. And just like the real ones, it is utterly retarded. |
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| DJ RANN |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
No, it's bull. There are lots of these stories. It began because Pink Floyd originally wrote some of the music for 2001, which was ultimately replaced by classical pieces. So there are Pink Floyd tracks (off the top of my head, I think it's Echoes) that may synch with certain scenes from 2001 because those scenes were edited around the music.
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I think you're right about the bull bit, but I'd be mighty surprised if film was edited to fit music. I work in score and I've never heard of any film ever being edited to fir music as it's always the other way round. It's more likely floyd wrote the music to picture.
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
All of these other synchronisation rumours are basically the ramblings of over-enthusiastic potheads. It's quite clearly ludicrous because when these films were made and edited, neither DVDs nor CDs existed - the albums would have been released on vinyls which needed flipping over, and how could Kubrick have accounted for a DVD menu playing itself out when DVD menus would not be invented for 30 years? |
You're right, but he easily could have edited the film to sync up, and don't forget, although rare, you could get albums on 2" tape which was continuous as a medium. |
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| Scratchula |
| quote: | Originally posted by Meat187
This is something like the movie or music nerd version of a conspiracy theory. And just like the real ones, it is utterly retarded. |
Culture is a better description than "conspiracy". They are a technically superior culture who rules over the "headless masses". They can turn any industry or government they want into a conspiracy, which is "finely tuned" simply because most people are led around like cows with too much money to spend.
The synchronization of image to music results in a superior product. You are not thinking about this issue, but you seem to feel your opinion warrants merit anyway. Why would synchronization between film and music interfere with the message? It simply wouldn't. |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RANN
I think you're right about the bull bit, but I'd be mighty surprised if film was edited to fit music. I work in score and I've never heard of any film ever being edited to fir music as it's always the other way round. It's more likely floyd wrote the music to picture. |
It's a moot point, because I'd got the details wrong - Pink Floyd were approached about it, but never actually contributed in the end, which was apparently Roger Waters' "greatest regret".
And the OP specifically states that the DVD menu is part of the synch, and since that menu did not exist when the film was edited, it is simply impossible that it was deliberately edited as such.
| quote: | Originally posted by Scratchula
The synchronization of image to music results in a superior product. You are not thinking about this issue, but you seem to feel your opinion warrants merit anyway. Why would synchronization between film and music interfere with the message? It simply wouldn't. |
Because playing an album over a film would drown out the existing music, sound effects and dialogue of that film, all of which play a major role in conveying the "message". You absolute wit. |
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| LAdazeNYnights |
| quote: | Originally posted by Scratchula
Culture is a better description than "conspiracy". They are a technically superior culture who rules over the "headless masses". They can turn any industry or government they want into a conspiracy, which is "finely tuned" simply because most people are led around like cows with too much money to spend.
The synchronization of image to music results in a superior product. You are not thinking about this issue, but you seem to feel your opinion warrants merit anyway. Why would synchronization between film and music interfere with the message? It simply wouldn't. |
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| Scratchula |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
Because playing an album over a film would drown out the existing music, sound effects and dialogue of that film, all of which play a major role in conveying the "message". You absolute wit. |
The synchronization is not a constraint but is rather an enhancement. The actors themselves use the master tape loop to convey their emotions and to dance their act, so it all syncs up and looks better. If you actually watched the sync, you might have some idea of what is going on. You can leave the sync playing all day long, and it works in an obvious, non-coincidental manner. Proper design is used right from the beginning, the tape loop being used to design the film right from the beginning.
Bottom line is:
Stanley Kubrick used an echoing loop of the Abbey Road album to make every movie he made after that album's release, starting with Clockwork Orange and finishing with Eyes Wide Shut. This can be verified by anyone who watches the synch using the correct start point for each movie. He also used Sgt. Pepper for many of his movies (have only verified Eyes Wide Shut and The Shining so far).
These directors and actors make movie fans into fools. Really, they are a superior class taking an inferior class for a ride at the theater - butchers selling to cattle. |
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| SYSTEM-J |
Selectively ignore contrary evidence to tenuous theories?
Refuse to answer contrary points but instead repeat self-affirming logic?
Label the general public mindless and compare them to farm animals for not knowing about said theory, and self-congratulate oneself for being able to see what others don't?
This is exactly like a conspiracy theory, and every bit as ing stupid. Put the joint down, son. |
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| Desiderata |
I don't see any proof that all of his movies (or even one) sync with a Beatles albums thru and thru. I stand by my word that if is was true it would be creative and clever but its not true from what I can see thus far. There are random scenes of 2001: A Space Odyssey that mildly sync with certain Beatle songs but even these videos are from random scenes and random songs made by people who were fans of each and set out to make a scene sync. And these videos are from 2008 and 2009. Surely if this was true it would have been put on notice 4 years ago or so by such people being hardcore fans of Kubrick and The Beatles.
If you felt you were on to something when one song synced, why would you not see how far it could go.
http://youtu.be/mjWLDvIww54 |
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| Desiderata |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
Because playing an album over a film would drown out the existing music, sound effects and dialogue of that film, all of which play a major role in conveying the "message". You absolute wit. |
I agree with this.
A synchronisation would be clever but it will not enhance the movie at all. |
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| Scratchula |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
Selectively ignore contrary evidence to tenuous theories?
Refuse to answer contrary points but instead repeat self-affirming logic?
Label the general public mindless and compare them to farm animals for not knowing about said theory, and self-congratulate oneself for being able to see what others don't?
This is exactly like a conspiracy theory, and every bit as ing stupid. Put the joint down, son. |
I haven't seen any solid evidence to the contrary, and I haven't refused to answer anything.
I am highly informed because I went out and got my information. That means I have done some work and can express some kind of useful opinion without falling back on some mindless prejudice or another in order to waste people's time and interfere with their communications. Remember, I have observed what I am discussing, and you have quite clearly observed nothing.
Also, I'm female. |
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| Desiderata |
| quote: | Originally posted by Scratchula
I haven't seen any solid evidence to the contrary, and I haven't refused to answer anything.
I am highly informed because I went out and got my information. That means I have done some work and can express some kind of useful opinion without falling back on some mindless prejudice or another in order to waste people's time and interfere with their communications. Remember, I have observed what I am discussing, and you have quite clearly observed nothing.
Also, I'm female. |
Would you please upload a synced video with any of the said albums with any of the said movies. You can do it on YouTube in 15 minute segments... I want to feel with my senses what you are saying.
Seriously. |
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| Scratchula |
| quote: | Originally posted by Desiderata
Would you please upload a synced video with any of the said albums with any of the said movies. You can do it on YouTube in 15 minute segments... I want to feel with my senses what you are saying.
Seriously. |
That would be piracy. |
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