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Need help mixing synth bass
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| Alpha219 |
What effects do you all apply to individual synth bass tracks? Compression? Loudness Maximizer? EQ tweeking?
I can never seem to quite get the sound that I hear on most trance songs. |
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| stewart.m |
| i often rely on layering my basslines to get what i want out of it and some compression to. |
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| Julz |
| quote: | Originally posted by Alpha219
What effects do you all apply to individual synth bass tracks? Compression? Loudness Maximizer? EQ tweeking?
I can never seem to quite get the sound that I hear on most trance songs. |
Normally just a little compression, rarely a Harmonic exciter or saturation.
What sound you after? Example would help |
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| Looney4Clooney |
saturation
Amp sims
MB compression
MB saturation
M/S EQ
Automation and sidechaining
harmonic exciter.
I don't think layering is the greatest approach unless using just a sine/trangle support. Use the source, send it to a few buses, mess with the original, put them back together and hopefully you have something that is not what everyone else has.
Honestly, in a genre where being different is all you have , using lots of FX is not a bad thing. |
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| stewart.m |
| quote: | Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
saturation
Amp sims
MB compression
MB saturation
M/S EQ
Automation and sidechaining
harmonic exciter.
I don't think layering is the greatest approach unless using just a sine/trangle support. Use the source, send it to a few buses, mess with the original, put them back together and hopefully you have something that is not what everyone else has.
Honestly, in a genre where being different is all you have , using lots of FX is not a bad thing. |
layering has many advantages over slapping loads of fx but then it depends on the user i guess |
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| cryophonik |
| quote: | Originally posted by Alpha219
I can never seem to quite get the sound that I hear on most trance songs. |
All I hear in most trance songs these days is the same boring, unoriginal, uninspired, lameass rolling bass line ad nauseum. Is that what you're looking for? If so, go to youtube and search for "rolling bass line tutorial" or something similar and then spend 10 minutes learning how to sound boring, unoriginal, uninspired...yada yada yada. If not, then ignore my rant. :) |
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| Looney4Clooney |
| quote: | Originally posted by stewart.m
layering has many advantages over slapping loads of fx but then it depends on the user i guess |
the issue is when people just start getting all this clutter or sounds that cancel each other out. For leads, i would agree , not for bass. UNless you really know what you are doing ie you want upper harmonics and know what to do to get it via another synth doubling the original. |
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| TranceLover007 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
Honestly, in a genre where being different is all you have , using lots of FX is not a bad thing. |
I approve this massage ;) - I think the same way.
Darek |
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| Hattie71 |
I hear on most trance songs. |
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| Evolve140 |
It starts with a well programmed synth. Something that is already getting nice sounds. Here's what I do:
RP Predator (with the filters set accordingly) with 2 oscilators, a sine and a saw, with the sub up on the sine a bit, LoFi effect that has a LP filter(kind of like bit reduction/crushing, but you can use the LP filter to only affect frequencies below a certain point, or all frequencies- just depends) then amp saturation or distortion. I can EQ right here or before the amp simulator, or add a PSP vintage warmer to add harmonic warmth right away and EQ a bit after that. I find many different results in just changing up the signal path for the effects.
Synth > LoFi > EQ > Amp > PSP VW > Compressor > Delay > Very Slight Reverb > Bus with Side Chain Compression
Synth > LoFi > Amp > EQ > PSP VW > Compressor > Delay > Very Slight Reverb > Bus with Side Chain Compression
With a path that works, then it's also going to very much affected by the actual side chaining, which can sometimes make or break the feel to a bassline, regardless of how well you have its synth and path set up. Those are just examples, and the lofi isn't always neccesary, but combined with amp simulation it can sound excellent.
For those tracks you posted, the first one has a nice envelope with smooth and short decay, a good filter and is side chained nicely. I would suggest plotting out 16th notes and rolling them accordingly, and perhaps apply some groove to the MIDI pattern to make it swing out with the sidechaining, but not too much.
BTW, you'll never need a loudness maximizer for that. Maximizers are used by amateurs who are looking for easy ways to make their mixes sound better, but really lack the skill to do it any other way so they resort to cheap tricks like that, which in actuality do not even sound that great. Your effects like PSP vintage warmer, your amp simulator and compressor will all help contribute to a nice volume, not to mention you can always turn it up in the mixer. |
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| PlasticSoul |
| quote: | Originally posted by Alpha219
What effects do you all apply to individual synth bass tracks? Compression? Loudness Maximizer? EQ tweeking? |
Toneprojects bassline, eq, compression, most of times...
| quote: | Originally posted by Alpha219
I can never seem to quite get the sound that I hear on most trance songs. |
Check Activa bass layering tutorial on youtube... |
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