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Choosing a key for a trance production (pg. 4)
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| Rodri Santos |
| quote: | Originally posted by MIKE333ACE
Holy , 128??? I thought that most trance tracks were 132, and that's slow enough in my opinion. Anyone know what it was last year or in any other previous years???
Just Curious |
Bpm is something that is not that important, some styles would sound better at a certain speed but a track can sound fine at 130bpm and at 132bpm.
Commercial music usually has a slower bpm but dance hits were both at 140bpm and 120-130bpm.
128 it's the most common bpm, a lot of styles share it so crossing between genres is easy and 1 min = 64 beats it's like a fixed proportion, if any bpm is better than other is this.
About the key it will always be Am or it's relative Major CM, has no alterations (only the white keys on the piano) is the most intuitive and easy to listen key, we are extremely used to it. |
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| EddieZilker |
| , apart from the funny wise-cracks, this thread is chock full of dumb. |
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| Looney4Clooney |
| 99% of dance tracks don't actually have a key. Pedantic but correct. |
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| ReclusNdangrmnt |
| quote: | Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
99% of dance tracks don't actually have a key. Pedantic but correct. |
This.
Personally I don't bother with keys, I cook up a melody or whatever and just build around that while avoiding dissonant notes. Couldn't tell you the key of any of the stuff I make :D |
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| Looney4Clooney |
| well i was nitpicking. To be in a key is to invoke what keys mean ie tonal harmony which can't be said about most tracks as they lack the defining presence of a dominant which would separate say a key from a mode. Really i'm just making things more complicated than they need to be but anything i can do to confuse people. |
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| johncannons1 |
the funny thing is that if you made all your tracks at a weird BPM so e.g 128.37 or 129.79 it would throw ALOT of DJs out!
I watch in the clubs how they mix now and if you have a house DJ most tracks are 128 so wherever the fader is on the CD DJ you keep it there for your whole set..
BUT if you make it an abstract BPM it would throw DJs hahaha. I might do it!
:D :D |
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| Looney4Clooney |
| they would just warp it to 128. |
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| Excess |
| quote: | Originally posted by johncannons1
the funny thing is that if you made all your tracks at a weird BPM so e.g 128.37 or 129.79 it would throw ALOT of DJs out!
I watch in the clubs how they mix now and if you have a house DJ most tracks are 128 so wherever the fader is on the CD DJ you keep it there for your whole set..
BUT if you make it an abstract BPM it would throw DJs hahaha. I might do it!
:D :D |
and ruin any chance at seeing club or radio play because most people will be too lazy to sit and warp your track when there's already a thousand releases per day that don't require any effort to mix! |
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| EddieZilker |
| quote: | Originally posted by Excess
and ruin any chance at seeing club or radio play because most people will be too lazy to sit and warp your track when there's already a thousand releases per day that don't require any effort to mix! |
But who's going to notice? I remember reading a rumor about how early producers would tweak the tempo to rule out their track being played out by bad DJ's, too. |
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| Excess |
| quote: | Originally posted by EddieZilker
But who's going to notice? I remember reading a rumor about how early producers would tweak the tempo to rule out their track being played out by bad DJ's, too. |
lol, most DJ's now use software to program their radio shows etc. - and programs tend to be awful at calculating obscure BPMs. anyone in a rush to get their weekly ASOT/TATW imitation mix done (and likely those guys as well) will just blow by any track that doesn't immediately plug and play. |
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| Looney4Clooney |
| djs warp their tracks. It takes about 20 seconds. They use mixmeister's algorithm to find out the bpm, then warp it in ableton. It really is that easy. It is math, 120.5 is no more obscure than 129.00. Jesus |
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| Excess |
| quote: | Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
djs warp their tracks. It takes about 20 seconds. They use mixmeister's algorithm to find out the bpm, then warp it in ableton. It really is that easy. |
interesting. i guess mixmeister's is more accurate than traktor which sometimes tells me im playing 234.80bpm etc. |
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