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Lure Hollywood- what was it, who runs it, what can be expected? cool1g/mikey? (pg. 3)
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| mar46017 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Cool1g
Supposedly the old Element will open with a 4am permit.
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Old Element had a 4am permit. I used to be a regular there. I remember when they were first applying for it. Security had to prove to city officials that they had their straight. (got rid of all alcohol in sight etc.) |
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| alan |
| quote: | Originally posted by Cool1g
heh just calling Joey that instead of Wolfgang as BP loves to do that with dj names lol.
I disagree its easy to get the 4am permit... if it was then Supperclub would have gotten one. What i've been told is that you can apply for one but there would probably be so much resistance against it by other club owners and neighbors that its basically impossible to get a new 4am permit. Playhouse and Supperclub are probably the only 2 'new' clubs we'll have in Hollywood in a long long time due to the resistance factor.
Never knew 5750 had a 24 hour permit. I wonder who got the one from the old A.D venue on Highland. The Shark Club downtown had a 24 hour license as well. Can't think of any others myself.
Btw if anyone wants to buy the Belasco its for sale for $22 million :)
though its on a long-term lease to the operator for $1.1mm per year until 2019 and you have to honor the lease so no starting your own club there... its basically just a income-producing property for an owner.
Supposedly the old Element will open with a 4am permit.
Hmmm... just remembered the old Forbidden City....did they have a 24hour permit or just open at 6AM sunday mornings? |
libertine got their 4am permit 30 to 60 days after applying for it. but right after, they got into problems with the cops and they always got shut down at 12MN, but thats beside the point. i still think just extending to 4am, isnt a problem to apply. now applying for a NEW alcohol permit for a new club, now thats next to impossible since hollywood already has hit capacity in terms of the number of bars.clubs they want to allow. but applying for 4am, should be easy for existing clubs.
you cant refer to supperclub. the managing partner jerry garcia is a friend from the Philippines and his gf even had her bday at incognito once, and I know how he thinks, which is technically the same with most of other clubs owners Ive talked to, after 2am, all that happens is you lose money coz people dont drink anymore but you still pay for staff,/electricity, etc, so its kinda pointless for them as a business standpoint.
Playhouse permit is Nacional's before, and alreayd had a 4am extension to it. Supperclub is the only one new that I know of, as I remember meeting at Jerry's house on Vine street before SC opened and they were still trying to convince me to move to them from King King once they open. I actually refused and said, my crowd needs the club to be open until 4am at the least to make it work, and they didnt want it even then.
Whats AD in Highland? You are correct, Forbidden City had a 24 hour license too. And I guess Larchmont? THeres another one in Weho which is 24 hours, that polysexual venue where Afterhour Powere originated from. |
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| Cool1g |
| quote: | Originally posted by alan
libertine got their 4am permit 30 to 60 days after applying for it. but right after, they got into problems with the cops and they always got shut down at 12MN, but thats beside the point. i still think just extending to 4am, isnt a problem to apply. now applying for a NEW alcohol permit for a new club, now thats next to impossible since hollywood already has hit capacity in terms of the number of bars.clubs they want to allow. but applying for 4am, should be easy for existing clubs.
you cant refer to supperclub. the managing partner jerry garcia is a friend from the Philippines and his gf even had her bday at incognito once, and I know how he thinks, which is technically the same with most of other clubs owners Ive talked to, after 2am, all that happens is you lose money coz people dont drink anymore but you still pay for staff,/electricity, etc, so its kinda pointless for them as a business standpoint.
Playhouse permit is Nacional's before, and alreayd had a 4am extension to it. Supperclub is the only one new that I know of, as I remember meeting at Jerry's house on Vine street before SC opened and they were still trying to convince me to move to them from King King once they open. I actually refused and said, my crowd needs the club to be open until 4am at the least to make it work, and they didnt want it even then.
Whats AD in Highland? You are correct, Forbidden City had a 24 hour license too. And I guess Larchmont? THeres another one in Weho which is 24 hours, that polysexual venue where Afterhour Powere originated from. |
isn't Libertine the place on Sunset in WeHo... i'm just more referring to City of LA governend venues. not sure how easy/hard it is for non-LA venues to go past 2.
I'll admit I have no idea how easy/hard it is to get your closing time permit extended.... I'd wager that if someone opened up a new venue and got a 2am permit that it would still not be that easy to just extend it to 4am. But hey, i could be wrong.
AD is now a boutique furniture store... its on the east side of Highland halfway b/w Santa Monica and Melrose. It was more of a gay night and fetish night club if memory serves. Giant had a 20 hour NYE after-party one year there with Sasha, Sander K and a few others...
yeah i forgot about Larchmont... I actually did a party there in 1996 (man saying that makes me feel old!!!) when it was the Martini Lounge or whatever the name was.
One time a few of us tried to name all of the grandfathered 24-hour venues we knew of and the list was around 6. We left off Music Box... I assume they qualify as well, right?
and man I remember the back patio of Element in its previous incarnation being SKETCHY. |
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| Quazar |
It's kinda ridiculous that LA has to stop serving alcohol at 2am. The only time I can take public transit to a club is Avalon, because I know when I leave the trains will be running. Just seems like it would be safer in general if you stopped serving when public transit is active.
NYC is 4am, Miami is 5am, Vegas is 24-hours. Seems silly for LA, being the 2nd largest city in the country and one of world's party capitals, to have to stop serving at 2am.
I guess that's why this is the land of the afterparty. |
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| alan |
| quote: | Originally posted by Cool1g
isn't Libertine the place on Sunset in WeHo... i'm just more referring to City of LA governend venues. not sure how easy/hard it is for non-LA venues to go past 2.
One time a few of us tried to name all of the grandfathered 24-hour venues we knew of and the list was around 6. We left off Music Box... I assume they qualify as well, right?
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That where its funny. Libertine is City of LA. THe marker of Weho is on their building line. And all its neighbors are Weho, but they are in LA. A lot of Weho cops go there before for complaints, then they had to turn around once they realized its still in LA. Actually Prem, the owner of Libertine, bought Burgundy House from Los Globos owners.
I didnt even know Music Box also had a 24hour license. |
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| DJ RANN |
Don't get me started on permits; Alcohol licenses for city of LA for businesses went up from $8k to $29k overnight one day in 2010.
Venues aren't really worth anything these days in terms of commercial space, but grandfathered permit can be worth millions. SBE reckons the Alcohol licence at the SLS is worth $100m a year to them.
Guy from (you know who i'm talking about - guys and dolls) had to take on partners for Trousdale and Beverly as someone got shot and killed meaning guy was no longer allowed to hold a alcohol permit (for the rest of his life).
I have no idea why more clubs as you guys mention don't use the later permits. I get the finances but one club (avalon) is the only one that stays open to 6 am in LA? Kinda . I remember back in London you didn't bother going out until 1am as every club was at least a 6am close, and that was even with last call being at 2am, when the beer-boys ed off and the club really got going. |
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| alan |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RANN
Don't get me started on permits; Alcohol licenses for city of LA for businesses went up from $8k to $29k overnight one day in 2010.
Venues aren't really worth anything these days in terms of commercial space, but grandfathered permit can be worth millions. SBE reckons the Alcohol licence at the SLS is worth $100m a year to them.
Guy from (you know who i'm talking about - guys and dolls) had to take on partners for Trousdale and Beverly as someone got shot and killed meaning guy was no longer allowed to hold a alcohol permit (for the rest of his life).
I have no idea why more clubs as you guys mention don't use the later permits. I get the finances but one club (avalon) is the only one that stays open to 6 am in LA? Kinda . I remember back in London you didn't bother going out until 1am as every club was at least a 6am close, and that was even with last call being at 2am, when the beer-boys ed off and the club really got going. |
Los Globos uses their 24hour license. That Weho gay club uses theirs too (but name escapes me. |
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| gerard6975 |
| quote: | Originally posted by alan
Los Globos uses their 24hour license. That Weho gay club uses theirs too (but name escapes me. |
i think you're talking about The Factory. |
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| LAdazeNYnights |
Gay clubs have the silliest names :tongue2
I remember always walking past this one place in NYC: The Meat Locker, or something like that. lol |
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| Nerologic |
| quote: | Originally posted by alan
well just to be more clear, Joey isn't big, Wolfgang Gartner is.
yes the 4am permit is separate from the normal permits. actually, it isnt hard to get it. BUT clubs like Lure which are there for the money dont want to apply for it coz its pointless since the club doesnt earn since the bar is closed at 2am. Cabana always did 2am closing coz it was an open air venue (so more of sound issues), so they moved the party to Green Door where I've thrown a few events until 4am (i.e. Phil Hartnoll of Orbital, Reset Robot, etc) where all you need is to open the door to both venues.
grandfather licenses are that, old licenses, and you cant get it anymore unless you buy it from clubs who had it before - like Avalon, Spot 5750(they are closed but still own the grandfather 24hour license), Los Globos who bought Burgundy House, Avalon and Ecco. There maybe a few others too, but thats all I know. |
Wow...facts on TA? Next thing you know you're gonna tell me that Steve Angello is going to start playing more tech house in his sets shying away from the SHM stuff...oh wait...
| quote: | Originally posted by Cool1g
Hmmm... just remembered the old Forbidden City....did they have a 24hour permit or just open at 6AM sunday mornings? |
God that place was horrible...yet I ended up there after the Avalon everytime...
| quote: | Originally posted by Quazar
It's kinda ridiculous that LA has to stop serving alcohol at 2am. |
It's state law, not just LA's.
San Fran had approved going till 4am a while ago, that bill got shut down as soon as the state legislature got its hands on it. |
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| alan |
So I was talking to the guy last night who works at the agency that handles permits. He said it is easier to get that separate permit to extend from 2am to 4am. The council of 5 people needs to vote at least 3 out of 5 to approve it and usually, he says they do so.
For cities like Hollywood, Weho etc, they already don't approve new alcoholic licenses since they feel there are already ample bars/clubs already. But areas in the surrounding cities still allow and accept applications. |
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| alan |
| quote: | Originally posted by Nerologic
Wow...facts on TA? Next thing you know you're gonna tell me that Steve Angello is going to start playing more tech house in his sets shying away from the SHM stuff...oh wait...
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i dont get your point at all |
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