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| dj christian |
| My god they are such a quality product. As much durable as a Technics. |
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| dj christian |
| quote: | Originally posted by Juan Paulino
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I own this mixer, it's a killer! Built as tanks and heavy as hell.
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| Looney4Clooney |
| how a modern mixer manages to not implement midi or ocs is beyond me. |
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| DJ RANN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
how a modern mixer manages to not implement midi or ocs is beyond me. |
Neither should ever be on a DJ mixer. It;s a ing DJ mixer, not a midi controller or an "on-the-fly-music-generating-powerhouse".
Gains, pots, nice EQ, faders, sends & returns, lots of I/O and filters (if you must). That's it.
The rest can off and if you can't rock a party with that, then you should never step up to the decks. |
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| DJRAMM |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RANN
Neither should ever be on a DJ mixer. It;s a ing DJ mixer, not a midi controller or an "on-the-fly-music-generating-powerhouse".
Gains, pots, nice EQ, faders, sends & returns, lots of I/O and filters (if you must). That's it.
The rest can off and if you can't rock a party with that, then you should never step up to the decks. |
you tell em rann |
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| Looney4Clooney |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RANN
Neither should ever be on a DJ mixer. It;s a ing DJ mixer, not a midi controller or an "on-the-fly-music-generating-powerhouse".
Gains, pots, nice EQ, faders, sends & returns, lots of I/O and filters (if you must). That's it.
The rest can off and if you can't rock a party with that, then you should never step up to the decks. |
i suppose some djs have trouble with just the basics. Others have aspirations beyond what a y6 year old could learn in 1 year. It would really take nothing to add the ability, and it makes a mixer so much more versatile. Why not. Maybe you want to control traktor along with the cds , a simple midi addition would make this easy. They should not assume everyone is one of those djs that mix intro/outro |
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| DJ RANN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
i suppose some djs have trouble with just the basics. Others have aspirations beyond what a y6 year old could learn in 1 year. It would really take nothing to add the ability, and it makes a mixer so much more versatile. Why not. Maybe you want to control traktor along with the cds , a simple midi addition would make this easy. They should not assume everyone is one of those djs that mix intro/outro |
But that's the whole problem. DJ'ing with two decks isn't something that can be mastered in 1yr.
I taught myself to beatmatch in three months when I was 15 (before there was youtube or how to's on the subject) so it's not a matter of technical knowledge. I learned traktor in one night a couple of months back.
I have been DJ'ing for over 15 years. I would not say I have mastered it, not even close.
The skill is about music selection, layering tracks, cutting, transforming, deck manipulation, eq'ing - etc. You don't need midi control to do that. You only need midi control to make up for lack of inventiveness and ability on two turntables and a basic mixer. |
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| Looney4Clooney |
it can, I learned to beatmatch using just the pitch shifts, no touching in 1 week. I learned to scrach ala qbert in 6 months. The issue is that djs tend to have no innate talent and those that do , do not have the experience of learning other instruments to know how to learn something quickly.
But i had exercises i did, stuff you do with any other instrument to focus on the problems rather than just dj. Most djs require headphones, i could mix without them. That is how fast you get when you know how to practice, what to practice, because you've acquired similar technique on an instrument.
So the technical part can be mastered easily in under 2 years. I'm talking about being about to mix seamless without cueing, without using headphones, without touching the platter in 30 seconds.
And this is a discussion about technique. You can argue what you think is djing, the point is that it would be easy to implement, and for those that would make use of it, they can.
And as much as you think you were good at track selection, well I was doing all that, but add to that structure like sonata form, spread over 2 hours. I did the harmonic mixing before there was a name for it. All my tracks had the structure and tonal center at 140 bpm. Djing was the easiest thing i've ever done musically. Fun, but easy.
But there is no tradition in learning how to dj, and the least effective way is to just do it. And that is why it takes someone 10 years to learn what should take 2.
And yes you could do what say i would want to do easily with tracktor , say play a loop , but you are beat juggling like an idiot, you need 4 tables, it uses technique that isn't necessary if you had access to key points without having to memorize the grooves of a record.
The point is why not. You might not use the midi , but others might. And for something that is so easy to implement, why not. |
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| Juan Paulino |
| quote: | Originally posted by dj christian
I own this mixer, it's a killer! Built as tanks and heavy as hell.
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What about quality, any good? |
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| DJ RANN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
it can, I learned to beatmatch using just the pitch shifts, no touching in 1 week. I learned to scrach ala qbert in 6 months. The issue is that djs tend to have no innate talent and those that do , do not have the experience of learning other instruments to know how to learn something quickly.
But i had exercises i did, stuff you do with any other instrument to focus on the problems rather than just dj. Most djs require headphones, i could mix without them. That is how fast you get when you know how to practice, what to practice, because you've acquired similar technique on an instrument.
So the technical part can be mastered easily in under 2 years. I'm talking about being about to mix seamless without cueing, without using headphones, without touching the platter in 30 seconds.
And this is a discussion about technique. You can argue what you think is djing, the point is that it would be easy to implement, and for those that would make use of it, they can.
And as much as you think you were good at track selection, well I was doing all that, but add to that structure like sonata form, spread over 2 hours. I did the harmonic mixing before there was a name for it. All my tracks had the structure and tonal center at 140 bpm. Djing was the easiest thing i've ever done musically. Fun, but easy.
But there is no tradition in learning how to dj, and the least effective way is to just do it. And that is why it takes someone 10 years to learn what should take 2.
And yes you could do what say i would want to do easily with tracktor , say play a loop , but you are beat juggling like an idiot, you need 4 tables, it uses technique that isn't necessary if you had access to key points without having to memorize the grooves of a record.
The point is why not. You might not use the midi , but others might. And for something that is so easy to implement, why not. |
Same here, without, as they say, trying to on your strawberrys, it's not really that unusual. I can mix without headphones, just using the pitch slider and get it locked in under 15 seconds to the point I don't have to touch it again in a 2 minute mix. I used to do like blindfold myself and play an entire set just to make sure I was a ninja on my equipment.
Again, what i;m saying is, it not about technique and you;re right the technique thing is not that difficult; it's about using the equipment at hand in a meaningful way to create a great musical experience. Technique is the tool to do it but it's in no way the content or the experience. That's why you get bored to tears at any Turntablism contest. Amazing technique, no substantive content.
The harmonic mixing thing is nothing new - Sasha was doing it since around 1992, which is probably 10 years before you did. And anyway, the harmoic thing is very dangerous - it can actually limit you in the long run as you get used to only doing harmonic steps, so you have to make a concerted effort to think outside of those rules and before you know it you're over thinking something that should be spontaneous and fluid.
The thing is DJ'ing is as much about an experience as it is about the music and the two are indefinitely intertwined in this respect. Traktor/ableton/midi/whatever puts the emphasis on the tools, detracting from the main point which is the music and for many various reasons which I won't go in to again, results in a worse overall musical experience.
You say why not? I say why? Just because you can, doesn't mean you should. In this case, there are downsides to midi/traktor etc, and I have yet to be shown how that technology has made DJ music any better than anything I've ever witnessed with straight up mixing.
I actually do remember the grooves on my records. I pulled out a record the other day that i hadn't heard or played in 5 years and without even thinking, dropped the needle on the part when I cue up from. Maybe I am just a ninja but I don't think i half the DJ some other people are so we don't need all this crap, and we shouldn't teach ourselves to rely on it when the end product (music) is no better. |
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| Looney4Clooney |
| playing 2 records with the same tonal center is not harmonic mixing. Sasha wasn't doing. Nobody was, nobody is. Djs and the guys that invented that stupid wheel still don't understand key regions and how to apply them. It is one of those things everyone talks about doing but nobody actually does it. Sure they have like 3 tracks they always play that they know have the same centre but other than that, they have no idea how to use it without subjugating the actual character of a track for the key. He didn't markings on his records, and even arguing you have perfect pitch, that is all good a great but really, you going to keep auditioning possible tracks until you find one in the same key. And the concept of large structural format was something nobody did or does because people have trouble counting 8 bars let alone understanding how to shape 1 hour of music in more ways that just energy levels. That is why i always scoff at those harmonic mixing systems or people that say they do it. |
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