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i dont see why people bash artists for creating different styles than what originally got them hooked to said artist.
Sure you may not like his new stuff, but there are thousands in potetnially new audiences he's reaching by creating what he does. And if you know anything about Wolfgang then you know he likes to be very diverse and innovative.
In the end it comes down to this: if you dont like it doesnt mean someone else wont. And obviously there are thousands if not millions that do. Art is art.
p.s. check this post: http://www.facebook.com/djwolfgangg...150859313858236 |
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| Looney4Clooney |
no , its that he went from an amazing producer, to this. I mean how the do you do that. It isn't about genres, it is about completely dumbing down your . It isn't a change in direction , it is called , maybe i can minors too if i make stuff like SHM. He went from top 5 current EDM producers to completely redundant. I mean his latest stuff offers absolutely nothing what so ever.
saw that post.
well, that is why you have a pr person. So that you don't do dumb like he did and alienate his entire fanbase. And what ever the he things he is making now, it aint progressive. Why is the term so ing hard to get. It isn't about the ing progression of the track. it is a quantifier used just like progressive rock, progressive metal. Its a term use to make your music seem more legit and artistic and complex and serious. |
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| tehlord |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RANN
some stuff that 30k millionaires and their umpalumpas could fistpump to. |
I lulz'd |
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| DJ RANN |
Erm, can someone please tell me why Wolfgang seems to keep using the term "progressive" to describe his latest tracks?
I heard Armin also use the same term "Progressive" to describe the abysmal track he made for the Euro cup.
This is not progressive house. Never has been, never will be. It has none of the markers that led to the term being coined and sounds nothing like progressive house.
Can we please call it something else? I mean, progressive house has some thought and structure to it, this crap has neither. |
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| Seandroid |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RANN
Erm, can someone please tell me why Wolfgang seems to keep using the term "progressive" to describe his latest tracks?
I heard Armin also use the same term "Progressive" to describe the abysmal track he made for the Euro cup.
This is not progressive house. Never has been, never will be. It has none of the markers that led to the term being coined and sounds nothing like progressive house.
Can we please call it something else? I mean, progressive house has some thought and structure to it, this crap has neither. |
Progressive house isn't really a classifiable genre.... isn't the term supposed to describe house that deviates from the usual genre descriptors anyway...?
Now you're trying to give it... genre descriptors...
And don't be so damn pretentious about it. For christ's sake, it's got JUST AS MUCH thought and structure except the ing cutoff filter is open on the chords. Redline's melody is wonderful it's just not as good as his older music. |
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| Looney4Clooney |
| the melody is treading on Selena Gomez territory. The track is brutal. :Like it was made for people that can't dance and need an equal amount of accenting on all 4 so idiots can fist pump and not get confused by a snare. |
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| Seandroid |
| quote: | Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
the melody is treading on Selena Gomez territory. The track is brutal. :Like it was made for people that can't dance and need an equal amount of accenting on all 4 so idiots can fist pump and not get confused by a snare. |
I'll give you that. That's actually a trend though - go listen to almost all the tracks in the Beatport top 10, they have a clap on every 4th.
I don't think the track is THAT bad it's just painfully generic. It sounds exactly like Alesso, Avicci, Michael Woods' new stuff... |
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| Looney4Clooney |
| ya i mean brutal relatively speaking. I mean he had a pretty huge impact on the EDM scene. And then this. He wasn't struggling financially, he was getting lots of recognition, had to turn down a lot of remix commissions and was on MTV's club show and this was all based on the stuff you wouldn't really call mainstream. The thing is i just don't buy that he really feels this stuff. It is so alien. Artists that do other styles usually keep a certain core aesthetic. That is why it is so weird. |
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| Seandroid |
| quote: | Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
ya i mean brutal relatively speaking. I mean he had a pretty huge impact on the EDM scene. And then this. He wasn't struggling financially, he was getting lots of recognition, had to turn down a lot of remix commissions and was on MTV's club show and this was all based on the stuff you wouldn't really call mainstream. The thing is i just don't buy that he really feels this stuff. It is so alien. Artists that do other styles usually keep a certain core aesthetic. That is why it is so weird. |
Yup - unlike Rann (who is completely wrong lol) said about Deadmau5 - Deadmau5 started with electro and made almost exclusively that as BSOD with Steve Duda, then did electro on his own with his early tracks on Play Records like Doctor Funkenstein, Mr. G, Turning Point, Hey Baby, After Hours..
THEN he started doing progressive house and still to this day does JUST as much as he always has. I mean , just within the past few months:
HR 8938 Cephei, Closer, Aural Psynapse, The Veldt.... in the same span of time he released Where My Keys and Maths in terms of electro house, and neither of those tracks are mind- crazy electro house. They're both simple and fun electro house...
He's evolved but he certainly hasn't changed...
Wolfgang went from awesome electro house to YAY SUPERSAWS in the span of... um, one track. |
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| DJ RANN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Seandroid
Progressive house isn't really a classifiable genre.... isn't the term supposed to describe house that deviates from the usual genre descriptors anyway...?
Now you're trying to give it... genre descriptors...
And don't be so damn pretentious about it. For christ's sake, it's got JUST AS MUCH thought and structure except the ing cutoff filter is open on the chords. Redline's melody is wonderful it's just not as good as his older music. |
Dude, don't presume to tell me what prog is - i was DJ'ing it in clubs while you were still ting on your hands and rubbing it in your face.
I mean for s sake, the term was coined as far back as the late 90's and I have the very magazine, so don't ing tell me it "isn't classifiable".
You need to either stop trying to speak up on you know nothing about or go do some research, as prog is mentioned as a clearly defined genre in most of the mainstream books about dance music such as the dance music manual and the idiots guide to dance music.
As for mau5, same as above. Sure he made other stuff, but he got known for his 8th note stuff and that's when everyone took notice and the majority of people discovered his music. Don't try and say he was well known before that as I seriously doubt you were buying his first tracks so this is all just you trawling discogs |
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| MSZ |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RANN
Dude, don't presume to tell me what prog is - i was DJ'ing it in clubs while you were still ting on your hands and rubbing it in your face.
I mean for s sake, the term was coined as far back as the late 90's and I have the very magazine, so don't ing tell me it "isn't classifiable".
You need to either stop trying to speak up on you know nothing about or go do some research, as prog is mentioned as a clearly defined genre in most of the mainstream books about dance music such as the dance music manual and the idiots guide to dance music.
As for mau5, same as above. Sure he made other stuff, but he got known for his 8th note stuff and that's when everyone took notice and the majority of people discovered his music. Don't try and say he was well known before that as I seriously doubt you were buying his first tracks so this is all just you trawling discogs |
Lool, Rann fighting the good fight, godspeed. Honestly I cant stand eighth note progressive anymore, its so easy to make a track sound good using that technique. Over time, Ive grown to despise it, its funny because its all some producers ever do, cough, Mango.
Im not even going to defend progressive / progressive house on these boards anymore, ignorance is bliss. |
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| Seandroid |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RANN
Dude, don't presume to tell me what prog is - i was DJ'ing it in clubs while you were still ting on your hands and rubbing it in your face.
I mean for s sake, the term was coined as far back as the late 90's and I have the very magazine, so don't ing tell me it "isn't classifiable".
You need to either stop trying to speak up on you know nothing about or go do some research, as prog is mentioned as a clearly defined genre in most of the mainstream books about dance music such as the dance music manual and the idiots guide to dance music.
As for mau5, same as above. Sure he made other stuff, but he got known for his 8th note stuff and that's when everyone took notice and the majority of people discovered his music. Don't try and say he was well known before that as I seriously doubt you were buying his first tracks so this is all just you trawling discogs |
I said "isn't it." I was asking a question basing it off of the definition on Ishkur's guide. I never claimed to know more than you. I don't ing know what the hell it is, i've heard it used to describe so many different kinds of music that I had assumed it was being used as "progessive house" and moving the gene forward.
I'm not going to read a god damned book on dance music, what the hell? You seriously car that much about friggin' dance music genres?
What the is Discogs? The reason I know all this about Mau5 is I've been a fan forever. The first major track he ever released was "This Is the Hook" with Steve Duda as BSOD and it rocketed to #1 on Beatport. It was electro house. The track that got him well known to mainstream audiences was a re-release of ghosts 'n' stuff with Rob Swire's vocals. Also electro house. He's famous for both and MAKES both. That's all I'm saying. You said he doesn't anymore, but he does, and still more than electro.
I own nearly his entire discography... I'm just a mau5 fan. It wasn't my intention to come off as abrasive. |
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