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| MSZ |
| quote: | Originally posted by Seandroid
I said "isn't it." I was asking a question basing it off of the definition on Ishkur's guide. I never claimed to know more than you. I don't ing know what the hell it is, i've heard it used to describe so many different kinds of music that I had assumed it was being used as "progessive house" and moving the gene forward.
I'm not going to read a god damned book on dance music, what the hell? You seriously car that much about friggin' dance music genres?
What the is Discogs? The reason I know all this about Mau5 is I've been a fan forever. The first major track he ever released was "This Is the Hook" with Steve Duda as BSOD and it rocketed to #1 on Beatport. It was electro house. The track that got him well known to mainstream audiences was a re-release of ghosts 'n' stuff with Rob Swire's vocals. Also electro house. He's famous for both and MAKES both. That's all I'm saying. You said he doesn't anymore, but he does, and still more than electro.
I own nearly his entire discography... I'm just a mau5 fan. It wasn't my intention to come off as abrasive. |
Im sure you're a die-hard fan but...
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“I was about one week away from stopping music altogether,” he says, “Then my now good friend Chris Lake came over to work with me and helped me get my together and asked his management if they would help me. And here we are today. It was close.”
What Chris Lake did was pass on his debut Deadmau5 track Faxing Berlin to Pete Tong, who promptly channelled Radio 1’s massive power behind the track, transforming Joel into an ‘almost-instant’ club star (houseplanet.DJ). Following up with a string of massively popular singles and two albums ('Random Album Title' and 'For Lack Of A Better Name'), he rapidly became the biggest new crossover artist of dance music, nestling comfortably alongside trance veterans Tiesto and Paul Van Dyk.
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| Seandroid |
| quote: | Originally posted by MSZ
Im sure you're a die-hard fan but... |
Right, Faxing Berlon was the first track to get played on Radio One but his first successful track was This is the Hook with Steve Duda as BSOD. Read any interview. |
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| MSZ |
| Right, and you didnt even know who deadmau5 was when that single came out. When it did, all the djs were playing it, all my friends knew of it. Remember it well. That is called success. |
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| Seandroid |
| quote: | Originally posted by MSZ
Right, and you didnt even know who deadmau5 was when that single came out. When it did, all the djs were playing it, all my friends knew of it. Remember it well. That is called success. |
....I don't get what your point is, nobody I know knows if Deadmau5 from Facing Berlin. It's all Ghosts & Stuff which is electro house...
I don't even understand what we're arguing about lol. I'm just saying he's famous for both genres. |
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| XDR |
| Who's to say Gartner's new direction isn't a one-off? Let's see what he does next. |
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| sako487 |
dont wanna look over the whole thread to see if its posted or not but this is straight from wolfgangs facebook..
"i've been resisting this post for so long but imma do it. it. i get these comments (usually on facebook) like "why did you go progressive, come back to your old style, come back to complextro" etc etc. ANSWER: It just so happens that the last three tracks i released were sorta progressive house. I have 6 more finished, and none of them are progressive house. They're all electro house, some of them are "my old style" and some of them are me trying to create yet another new brand of electro. Stop trippin. I didn't change genres. I put out 3 prog tracks. I like to with different styles. I'm sure I'll do more prog tracks. I'll do more like Undertaker / Shrunken Heads too (already have, just not out yet). Just don't think because i release a few tracks in a style that's all I'm doing for life. SINCERELY, WOLFGANG. (this post written out of love)" |
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| Seandroid |
| quote: | Originally posted by sako487
dont wanna look over the whole thread to see if its posted or not but this is straight from wolfgangs facebook..
"i've been resisting this post for so long but imma do it. it. i get these comments (usually on facebook) like "why did you go progressive, come back to your old style, come back to complextro" etc etc. ANSWER: It just so happens that the last three tracks i released were sorta progressive house. I have 6 more finished, and none of them are progressive house. They're all electro house, some of them are "my old style" and some of them are me trying to create yet another new brand of electro. Stop trippin. I didn't change genres. I put out 3 prog tracks. I like to with different styles. I'm sure I'll do more prog tracks. I'll do more like Undertaker / Shrunken Heads too (already have, just not out yet). Just don't think because i release a few tracks in a style that's all I'm doing for life. SINCERELY, WOLFGANG. (this post written out of love)" |
Good to hear :D |
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| DJ RANN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Seandroid & MSZ
Deadmau5 etc |
MSZ explained far more eloquently than I was doing - in relative terms, no one had a clue who Joel Zimmerman was until Faxing Berlin, and then he really came to prominence with that 8th note prog sound. Sure he had tracks out before but in his own words, and directly contradicting your initial statements in this thread he was struggling so badly he was going to pack it in. I was buying tracks at that point and had maybe heard his name once or twice prior to that track. That following year, he ing dominated both in terms of hype and sales - you couldn't get away from hearing his name or one of his tracks, and it was all that 8th note stuff.
And about the prog thing - I didn't meant to jump down your throat about it, but from what you were posted, it reads like you are saying prog isn't really definable. I hate the whole genre thing (especially the sub/microgenre thing) but at least the main definitions are useful; trance, house, prog, techno, D&B, Electro etc, and prog to me at least is as definable as those others, albeit subjectively as all things of this nature are.
What I was getting at (and not trying to be a genre nazi) is what SHM, EC twins, etc play is NOT prog. It's just commercial dance music. I don't even really want to call it house as that does an injustice to house. If anything it's just pop music they're playing to an extremely uneducated crowd (musically/edm speaking). |
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| Seandroid |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RANN
MSZ explained far more eloquently than I was doing - in relative terms, no one had a clue who Joel Zimmerman was until Faxing Berlin, and then he really came to prominence with that 8th note prog sound. Sure he had tracks out before but in his own words, and directly contradicting your initial statements in this thread he was struggling so badly he was going to pack it in. I was buying tracks at that point and had maybe heard his name once or twice prior to that track. That following year, he ing dominated both in terms of hype and sales - you couldn't get away from hearing his name or one of his tracks, and it was all that 8th note stuff.
And about the prog thing - I didn't meant to jump down your throat about it, but from what you were posted, it reads like you are saying prog isn't really definable. I hate the whole genre thing (especially the sub/microgenre thing) but at least the main definitions are useful; trance, house, prog, techno, D&B, Electro etc, and prog to me at least is as definable as those others, albeit subjectively as all things of this nature are.
What I was getting at (and not trying to be a genre nazi) is what SHM, EC twins, etc play is NOT prog. It's just commercial dance music. I don't even really want to call it house as that does an injustice to house. If anything it's just pop music they're playing to an extremely uneducated crowd (musically/edm speaking). |
Yeah, I understand :) Sorry for jumping down your throat in my reply too, it's may long, I was a little intoxicated. :P |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RANN
I mean for s sake, the term was coined as far back as the late 90's and I have the very magazine, so don't ing tell me it "isn't classifiable". |
It was coined a lot earlier than that. It's general agreed that this Mixmag article from 1992 is the origin of the term, although the music itself can be traced back even earlier to 1990. Leftfield - Not Forgotten is generally agreed to be the first progressive house record, although there is an outside shout for React 2 Rhythm - Rhythm Addiction from the same year.
In all fairness, there is almost no prog whatsoever being made these days that is genuine "progressive house", the term has become totally meaningless. No surprise when kids like Seandroid, who weren't even alive when that article was written, are the people producing modern club records. I wouldn't be surprised if he'd never even heard of Leftfield. |
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| Seandroid |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
It was coined a lot earlier than that. It's general agreed that this Mixmag article from 1992 is the origin of the term, although the music itself can be traced back even earlier to 1990. Leftfield - Not Forgotten is generally agreed to be the first progressive house record, although there is an outside shout for React 2 Rhythm - Rhythm Addiction from the same year.
In all fairness, there is almost no prog whatsoever being made these days that is genuine "progressive house", the term has become totally meaningless. No surprise when kids like Seandroid, who weren't even alive when that article was written, are the people producing modern club records. I wouldn't be surprised if he'd never even heard of Leftfield. |
Well I can't exactly be held accountable for my age lol. |
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| Trancelover03591 |
| Your fault bro. Your parents should have had you before the Leftfield song came out. |
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