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Errbody take this test so I can see if I'm retarded or not (pg. 3)
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| EddieZilker |
| quote: | Originally posted by TheTrinity
i can tell you right now, by the definition of empathy, and the questions on that test...
the test is not objective towards any type of understanding. |
I agree that it's probably a little too informal to be pertinent but I'm curious to know your more elaborate reasoning on this.
| quote: | Originally posted by TheTrinity
its just a way for social people to justify their conformity level and applaud their subjective definition of being human. |
I'm also a little curious about where this remark is coming from. |
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| rdevito |
Empathy quotient = 39
Autism Spectrum quotient = 23 |
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| Lira |
| quote: | Originally posted by Adam420
55
I win |
Phew, I was feeling rather vexed being the only one in the 50's - and I'm glad you're more of a lesbian than I am :p |
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| Looney4Clooney |
test doesn't really tell you much.
Even if you had aspergers, you might think you are good say at putting yourself in other people's shoes, but you aren't. That is sort of where the difficulty arises. Something is lost in translation. And empathy tends to assume a lack of compassion which I would disagree with. I would say it is a lack of picking up , and a lack up expressing compassion. But it isn't lacking. Empathy is just the ability to pick up emotions other people are feeling. So you might be very non empathetic but that doesn't mean that if someone explained in a way you understood, you would feel compassionate towards their situation. To feel empathy is a strange saying in that in doesn't mean you are compassionate , only that you are picking up on their emotions. A rapist who is getting off on someone's pain is technically empathetic. |
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| SYSTEM-J |
Scored 24 on the first one, and only 17 on the second one. PARADOX.
Although yeah, this kind of test is obviously compromised because it relies on the accuracy of people's self-image, and that's probably the least objective measure in existence. If my friends took this test about me, the results would probably be different, and more accurate. |
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| Adam420 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lira
Phew, I was feeling rather vexed being the only one in the 50's - and I'm glad you're more of a lesbian than I am :p |
lmao:haha:
But taking into account what people like Jack are saying, I think it'd be fair to subtract a good 10 or so points to account for my self-bias. |
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| wotyzoid |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lira
Would you please come back so we're all in the low 50's? There's something in the water that makes we all soft around here :p
Or, at least, that's what my fiancée thinks. Do you really feel any difference regarding empathy here and there, or do you reckon it's just the stereotype?
Edit: On second thought, it's probably bollocks. I refuse to say anything until Will comes here. |
Tough to say, Marcus. There's so much that's different about the people and the culture here and there, I don't really know how empathy weighs out. I do feel that Brazilians in the general sense are a lot warmer and maybe a bit more welcoming of strangers. On the other hand I think Americans, again in the general sense, have a bit more common sense socially and are less likely to be rude. Mega generalizations so I don't know. |
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| Intellekshual |
| Your score: 55 (above average) |
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| TheTrinity |
| quote: | Originally posted by EddieZilker
I agree that it's probably a little too informal to be pertinent but I'm curious to know your more elaborate reasoning on this.
I'm also a little curious about where this remark is coming from. |
towards your first comment: (these are VERY subjective questions)
9. I am at my best first thing in the morning.
4. I find it difficult to explain to others things that I understand easily, when they don't understand it first time.
10. People often tell me that I went too far in driving my point home in a discussion.
13. I would never break a law, no matter how minor.
15. In a conversation, I tend to focus on my own thoughts rather than on what my listener might be thinking.
20. I tend to have very strong opinions about morality.
27. If I say something that someone else is offended by, I think that that's their problem, not mine.
towards your second comment: (what does social behavior have to do with understanding?)
3. I try to keep up with the current trends and fashions.
8. I find it hard to know what to do in a social situation.
12. Friendships and relationships are just too difficult, so I tend not to bother with them.
14. I often find it difficult to judge if something is rude or polite.
23. I think that good manners are the most important thing a parent can teach their child.
35. I don't tend to find social situations confusing.
ps. i'm not even bothering with the rest of the questions, you should be able to get the point.
and to top the cherry on the cake...
57. I don't consciously work out the rules of social situations.
Rules of social situations? (we dont even have a just law system, yet society thinks there are rules to social situations)
God damn, that is stupidity of stupidity at its core. |
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| TheTrinity |
| quote: | Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
test doesn't really tell you much.
Even if you had aspergers, you might think you are good say at putting yourself in other people's shoes, but you aren't. That is sort of where the difficulty arises. Something is lost in translation. And empathy tends to assume a lack of compassion which I would disagree with. I would say it is a lack of picking up , and a lack up expressing compassion. But it isn't lacking. Empathy is just the ability to pick up emotions other people are feeling. So you might be very non empathetic but that doesn't mean that if someone explained in a way you understood, you would feel compassionate towards their situation. To feel empathy is a strange saying in that in doesn't mean you are compassionate , only that you are picking up on their emotions. A rapist who is getting off on someone's pain is technically empathetic. |
you bring up a great point.
each situation that people encounter empathy and compassion is very psychological specific, and unique. if the observer or listener has a high standard of morality, and realizes the subject who is experiencing something needs to learn a lesson and evolve his analysis about the situation more objectively, then that person might "understand" the situation, but will not feel compassionate.
another case. if the observer or listener has a high standard of morality, and the subject who experienced something was treated unfairly or was innocent, the observer might not be able to understand fully the emotion that the experience created (because the listener has never been in the subject's shoes), but might have full compassion of the situation since he realizes the purity of the emotion felt by the subject.
compassion is a form of understanding the emotion felt by observing the purity in the subject's emotions,
while empathy is relating your experiences of emotion
compassion is based on objective analysis of a unique situation.
empathy relies on experience and wisdom to acknowledge the similarities of your own experiences and relate them to the experience of others.
both are needed in order to provide full understanding, although even if a person can do both towards a situation, doesn't mean they should.
sometimes you need "soft" and caring love, and sometimes you need "hard" and caring love , in order so that the person you are helping can grow to deal with the mistakes of others, and the mistakes of themselves. |
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| EddieZilker |
| quote: | Originally posted by TheTrinity
towards your first comment: (these are VERY subjective questions)
9. I am at my best first thing in the morning.
4. I find it difficult to explain to others things that I understand easily, when they don't understand it first time.
10. People often tell me that I went too far in driving my point home in a discussion.
13. I would never break a law, no matter how minor.
15. In a conversation, I tend to focus on my own thoughts rather than on what my listener might be thinking.
20. I tend to have very strong opinions about morality.
27. If I say something that someone else is offended by, I think that that's their problem, not mine. |
But that's the point of psychological evaluations. Whether or not you agree with how the question is posed or what it's supposed to be measuring, subjective questions are asked because they measure the system of beliefs held by the respondents. If a subsection of people hold common beliefs - beliefs that are subjective by their very nature - then testing for the presence of those subjective beliefs is valid criteria to test for. Unfortunately, we don't know whether that's the case or not.
Not really having any idea of how the test was constructed, perhaps it is as you said; based on an arbitrarily subjective frame of reference with no real bearing on any measurable trait. I don't suspect there are formal validity scales built into the test (scales which allow the surveyor to discern discrepancies that may be the result of someone putting themselves in a positive or negative light in order to skew the test result - for example) but I can't tell you, for certain, there aren't.
| quote: | Originally posted by TheTrinity
57. I don't consciously work out the rules of social situations.
Rules of social situations? (we dont even have a just law system, yet society thinks there are rules to social situations)
God damn, that is stupidity of stupidity at its core. |
But that's the point. I know that Aspergers have a hard time coping with social situations. You might not be cognizant of any "rules" per se but it's easy to understand that, as a coping mechanism, some Aspergers might come up with a set of rules to try and understand other people and help guide their own behavior. This question, answered in the negative, is measuring the absence of autism. Someone with Aspergers would disagree with it. They are more likely to spend a great deal of time trying to work out rules, guidelines, et al, for social situations that neuro-typicals aren't even cognizant of.
EDIT to add: I'm not taking the hardline and defending this test and agree with what SYSTEM-J and Looney4Clooney have said. |
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