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Some light discussion... (pg. 4)
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| Halcyon+On+On |
| quote: | Originally posted by Joss Weatherby
But that is something that we have to deal with. |
Why? |
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| Lagrangian |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lira
All right, suppose China decided to go after Falun Gong members around the world and found out some of them live in Los Angeles. Would you really be okay with Chinese drones bombing the hell out of a block in California just because someone in there happened to be involved with a group the Chinese government doesn't exactly love?
Mind you, no direct participation in the activities of terrorist groups is necessary to have a drone sent to your house. You could be Al-Qaeda's car washer for all they care [Citation needed: I heard this on the Beeb World Service and I can't be arsed to do any more research right now]. |
The chinese are too busy making business and shaking-hands, regardless of political affiliation. |
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| Joss Weatherby |
| quote: | Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On
Why? |
Because unlike every other country where we have made the claim that there could be nuclear terrorism, Pakistan is the only one that actually has nuclear weapons, lots of them, and their military and government organizations are rather opaque and unpredictable.
I don't think that nuclear weapons could end up on our shores, but there is a strong possibility of nuclear terrorism in the Indian subcontinent, which could lead to the death of hundreds of millions of people very quickly. |
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| Joss Weatherby |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lagrangian
The chinese are too busy making business and shaking-hands, regardless of political affiliation. |
That, and Lira ignores that every country we are doing drone strikes in is a willing participant, at least at the level where it matters. |
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| 6meets9 |
| I am surprised at some of the statements being made in this thread which overall reveals the general mindset and mentality of many that post on this website. The fact that you would condone the actions and behaviours of quite possibly the biggest bully on the planet is both very shocking and appalling. Eventually someone will stand up to this bully and I wholeheartedly support anyone who serves this bully the huge piece of humble pie it so desperately needs. |
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| Joss Weatherby |
| quote: | Originally posted by 6meets9
I am surprised at some of the statements being made in this thread which overall reveals the general mindset and mentality of many that post on this website. The fact that you would condone the actions and behaviours of quite possibly the biggest bully on the planet is both very shocking and appalling. Eventually someone will stand up to this bully and I wholeheartedly support anyone who serves this bully the huge piece of humble pie it so desperately needs. |
Luckily the world is far more complicated than you could ever understand so your insanely idiotic world view will never come to fruition! :gsmile: |
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| 6meets9 |
| :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: Oh how the so called mighty have fallen. Look how primitive you have become. I don't normally sink to the level of people like you but you are too funny :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: Sure anything you say :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: Your arrogance, ignorance, and disregard for human life will serve you well into the future :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: |
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| Joss Weatherby |
| quote: | Originally posted by 6meets9
:haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: Oh how the so called mighty have fallen. Look how primitive you have become. I don't normally sink to the level of people like you but you are too funny :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: Sure anything you say :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: Your arrogance, ignorance, and disregard for human life will serve you well into the future :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: |
Ok, you live in your world where the other side is this entirely peaceful group that has absolutely no intention of ever causing anyone harm ever, and we'll see how long that lasts.
Welcome to the real world, sometimes you have to kill people to save people, and that is reality and always has been. People are far too stupid to get along with each other and as long as there is massive economic disparity and religion that will always be the case. |
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| Lira |
| quote: | Originally posted by Joss Weatherby
That, and Lira ignores that every country we are doing drone strikes in is a willing participant, at least at the level where it matters. |
Actually, I acknowledged it on my reply to Arbiter ;)
| quote: | Originally posted by Joss Weatherby
Where did I ever say it is simple? I never said that. |
I didn't say you said it was simple. I said it was too simplistic given the actual scenario - that is, no matter how complex your view is, it just isn't as complex as necessary. In a country as fragmented as Pakistan, a direct series of operations with drones and whatnot is anything but a good idea.
| quote: | Originally posted by Joss Weatherby
Listen what to what Arbiter said, Pakistan is at war with its self. |
I also said that myself, to be honest :p
| quote: | Originally posted by Joss Weatherby
The less radical elements of their government/military have fought massive conventional style wars in the tribal region against indigenous and foreign terrorist organizations, organizations that have carried out terrorist attacks inside Pakistan itself. |
Indeed.
| quote: | Originally posted by Joss Weatherby
You really think the Pakistani government has a deep issue with drone strikes? No. In fact Pakistan even asked to purchase drones themselves to carry out these strikes. We of course denied it, having already given them plenty of high tech weaponry (which we probably should not have). |
Hmm... so they'd rather do that themselves? I wonder why that would be :p
See, that's what I'm talking about : Either help them from afar or ignore the issue altogether. Even if the heads of the Pakistani government support the drone strikes, that doesn't mean it's going to be welcome by everyone else... and, lest we forget, it's precisely the general population that matters in this case because they're the ones more likely to go postal and Al-Qaeda it up on everyone else.
(which is precisely what's going on in Yemen, to a smaller scale)
| quote: | Originally posted by Joss Weatherby
Our interest in Pakistan is to support the less radical elements of the government there, and sadly they are not the loudest element and probably not what a good chunk of the people want. But that is something that we have to deal with. They are a fully nuclear armed country with home grown terrorist groups that have waged international campaigns, mainly against their nuclear armed neighbor India. These groups are suspected of having close ties to elements inside the military as well. |
Which is a good for concern, I give you that.
| quote: | Originally posted by Joss Weatherby
I am not supporting troops on the ground, I think that the infantry campaign in Afghanistan is a waste of time, and everything in Iraq was a waste. I do support drone strikes though, it keeps our men and women safe, it can exact a far more potent and surgical strike, and it is cheap. |
In the short run, yes. But a blowback is more than likely.
| quote: | Originally posted by Joss Weatherby
I am also certain that no national sovereignty has been violated. |
Hmm... now this is trickier. But, before this turns into an non-productive argument about international affairs, I concede this point as well.
| quote: | Originally posted by Joss Weatherby
Pakistan is far more mad at us for putting actual guys on the ground, deep inside Pakistan during the OBL raid last year than they are about us killing what even they view as nut jobs in the tribal region. Pakistan could take immediate measures to stop drone raids if they wanted to. |
Yeah, but would it be interesting for them to make their already strained relations with the US even worse? |
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| TheTrinity |
| quote: | Originally posted by Miss Pie
I think, ultimately, the offer that Nou is waiting for is a hand job from his mother. Only reason I can think of why a virgin would want to live at home for so long. |
you freaky freaky girl you !!
;) go girl !! |
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| TheTrinity |
| quote: | Originally posted by Blake
Wasn't there a star wars movie about this? |
attack of the drones? |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| uh-oh, hal’s got his hippy on again. |
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